Chef Archive

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Strategiry wrote:

I refer you to the sticky that was just posted which contains a link to the last Friday Feature, which involved food stacking. While it is not 100% complete, TH said they were going to remedy that.

Also, I hate to be a stickler...but you should always skim through any professions stickies before asking a question.

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It was actually in light of the Friday Feature that I made the request. Yes, I know it's missing dessert foods, and some others, but if you read the associated threads, several of the numbers are incorrect, especially as pertains to filling.

The recent light shed on buff priorities is also something I never took into consideration before, andf have probably wasted lots of food, just assuming it will stack and not checking.

I just thought it would be a handy reference tool to have a place where one could easily glance and see, "Oh, if I want to stack for Action regen, this is the best combination." .. or .. "Hmmm.. I'm going into combat and need to stack health/action/mind regen to the best possible levels... I wonder what the best combination to do that would be. (and maybe even leave some room for dodge food or something!)"

Now, while I could sit, and try to figure that all out, I thought maybe a chef would be more suited. If you don't want to do it, no worries... but the request is valid, and I'd still love to see someone take that on as a benefit to the community.

- Auraboron

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Mayor_Woosh wrote:

In very simple terms:

As a general rule of thumb any HAM regen foods will stack as long as their combined value(s) do not exceed 250.

You can eat any combo of defensive /offensive foods as long as they dont provide the same bonus.

(example you cannot combine Air cake & Pikatta Pie because they both give a dodge bonus)

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Ok... then maybe I didn't understand the Friday Feature, and I'm open to that. You seem to be indicating I could stack Accarragm and Ahrisa for the Health and Mind Regen. However, the Friday Feature seemed to indicate that because Accarragm has a Buff Priority of 5, and Ahrisa has a Buff Priority of 3, that they wouldn't stack and only the highest priority would apply. In this case, I would only receive the benefits of Accarragm.

Am I mistaken in my understanding?

Message Edited by Spynet-Informant on 09-11-2005 07:35 AM

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Spynet-Informant wrote:

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Mayor_Woosh wrote:

In very simple terms:

As a general rule of thumb any HAM regen foods will stack as long as their combined value(s) do not exceed 250.

You can eat any combo of defensive /offensive foods as long as they dont provide the same bonus.

(example you cannot combine Air cake & Pikatta Pie because they both give a dodge bonus)

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Ok... then maybe I didn't understand the Friday Feature, and I'm open to that. You seem to be indicating I could stack Accarragm and Ahrisa for the Health and Mind Regen. However, the Friday Feature seemed to indicate that because Accarragm has a Buff Priority of 5, and Ahrisa has a Buff Priority of 3, that they wouldn't stack and only the highest priority would apply. In this case, I would only receive the benefits of Accarragm.

Am I mistaken in my understanding?

Message Edited by Spynet-Informant on 09-11-2005 07:35 AM

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You are incorrect. Accarram gives you a 200 point mind regen buff and most Ahrisa hovers in the 190+ Mind regen range. Those two numbers togethor would exceed 250 and therefor they wont stack.

Here is a brief list just off the top of my head of what stacks:

Master Chef "HAM buff" foods that stack

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Mayor_Woosh wrote:

You are incorrect. Accarram gives you a 200 point mind regen buff and most Ahrisa hovers in the 190+ Mind regen range. Those two numbers togethor would exceed 250 and therefor they wont stack.

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Wait a minute...

You just said I could stack Kiwik Clusjo Swirl + Vercupti.

There are two key terms to keep in mind when stacking buffs; "buff priority" and "buff groups". A buff priority determines which buff is more important and a buff group indicateswhich other buffs may be stacked with the first buff . Buff groups can generally be identified by examining a food item and looking at the effects. The top two most potent buffs represent the "buff group".

So.. for these two foods: Buffs in common are in green.

Glancing at the menu above, you will see that many of the culinary delights offer more than one type of helpful buff effect. For instance, the tasty entrie Gruuvan Shaal and the rich dessert Won-Won both offer the bonus of Health and Health Regeneration. If you eat them both, they won't be added together. So how does a person know how the food and drink will stack? By knowing its Buff Priority (Buff Priorities are listed on the menu above). All buffs that are not an instant buff have what is called a "Buff Priority". A Buff Priority determines which buff takes priority over other buffs when stacking them. For instance, if you sit down to a meal of Gruuvan Shaal (buff priority 3) and chase it down with a Won-Won dessert (buff priority 4), The Won-Won will take priority and you will only get the effects of the Won-Won and the Gruuvan Shaal will only serve to fill your character's belly with no bonus.

The bolded seems to indicate that the Vercupti will be the only one having an effect, because it has a higher buff priority.

There are two key terms to keep in mind when stacking buffs; "buff priority" and "buff groups". A buff priority determines which buff is more important and a buff group indicateswhich other buffs may be stacked with the first buff . Buff groups can generally be identified by examining a food item and looking at the effects. The top two most potent buffs represent the "buff group".

Here are some additional developer comments to help understand how all of this works together:

Message Edited by Spynet-Informant on 09-11-2005 08:55 AM

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Spynet-Informant wrote:

Wait a minute...

You just said I could stack Kiwik Clusjo Swirl + Vercupti.

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From the Friday Feature:

There are two key terms to keep in mind when stacking buffs; "buff priority" and "buff groups". A buff priority determines which buff is more important and a buff group indicateswhich other buffs may be stacked with the first buff . Buff groups can generally be identified by examining a food item and looking at the effects. The top two most potent buffs represent the "buff group".

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So.. for these two foods: Buffs in common are in green.

Kiwik Clusjo Swirl (Buff Priority 4)
+302 Health Regen, +200 Action Regen, +50 Mind Regen

Vercupti (Buff Priority 6)
+200 Health, +200 Health Regen, +50 Action Regen, +200 Mind Regen

Then, I continue to read the Friday Feature...

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Glancing at the menu above, you will see that many of the culinary delights offer more than one type of helpful buff effect. For instance, the tasty entrie Gruuvan Shaal and the rich dessert Won-Won both offer the bonus of Health and Health Regeneration. If you eat them both, they won't be added together. So how does a person know how the food and drink will stack? By knowing its Buff Priority (Buff Priorities are listed on the menu above). All buffs that are not an instant buff have what is called a "Buff Priority". A Buff Priority determines which buff takes priority over other buffs when stacking them. For instance, if you sit down to a meal of Gruuvan Shaal (buff priority 3) and chase it down with a Won-Won dessert (buff priority 4), The Won-Won will take priority and you will only get the effects of the Won-Won and the Gruuvan Shaal will only serve to fill your character's belly with no bonus.

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The bolded seems to indicate that the Vercupti will be the only one having an effect, because it has a higher buff priority.

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There are two key terms to keep in mind when stacking buffs; "buff priority" and "buff groups". A buff priority determines which buff is more important and a buff group indicateswhich other buffs may be stacked with the first buff . Buff groups can generally be identified by examining a food item and looking at the effects. The top two most potent buffs represent the "buff group".

Here are some additional developer comments to help understand how all of this works together:

A higher number on the buff priority indicates a higher priority. For example, buff priority 4 is higher than buff priority 1

and..

For instance, let's say you have a sweet tooth and try to eatthe dessert Won-Won (buff priority 4) and then a Kiwik Clusjo Swirl (buff priority 4). Won-Won provides Health , Health Regeneration, and a littleAction Regeneration, while Kiwik Clusjo Swirl provides Health ,Mind Regeneration, and a little Action Regeneration. Your character would gain the effects of the Won-Won (because it was eaten first), and you would not be able to eat the Kiwik Clusjo Swirl, because they share "Health"as one of their primary buff effects in the buff groups.

• Food and drink items are not stacked as different groups, they are both considered by their buff priority at the time your character consumes the buff.

Understanding "Buff Groups" only has a general rule. The general rule is that the two highest buffs represent the buff group. Let's look at Vagenerian Canape and Vasarian Brandy to see if they stack. Etc..

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Now, when I look at his chart, and compare back to this conversation, I notice that Kiwik Clusjo Swirl and Vercupti would both share Health Regen as a primary "buff group", and seemingly therefore would not stack. That being the case, the one with the highest buff priority, Vercupti (6) would be the only one you get the benefits from.

How am I mistaken?

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That friday feature is wrong on so many accounts I would just ignore it until further updates.

Just my 2 cents

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Spynet-Informant wrote:

Wait a minute...

You just said I could stack Kiwik Clusjo Swirl + Vercupti.

Now, when I look at his chart, and compare back to this conversation, I notice that Kiwik Clusjo Swirl and Vercupti would both share Health Regen as a primary "buff group", and seemingly therefore would not stack. (Very similar to the Kiwik Clusjo Swirl + Won-Won Example he just used above.)

That being the case, the one with the highest buff priority, Vercupti (6) would be the only one you get the benefits from.

How am I mistaken?

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DO NOT go by that posted chart by the DEVS. It is full of misinformation.

Kiwik Clusjo Swirl gives a bonus to Health pool NOT health regen.

It stacks just fine with Vercupti.

I test every food I craft and have for almost two years. This is why I was (and continueto be)upset with that chart they published. Your posts are a perfect example of how well it is confusing players.

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Mayor_Woosh wrote:

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Spynet-Informant wrote:

Wait a minute...

You just said I could stack Kiwik Clusjo Swirl + Vercupti.

Now, when I look at his chart, and compare back to this conversation, I notice that Kiwik Clusjo Swirl and Vercupti would both share Health Regen as a primary "buff group", and seemingly therefore would not stack. (Very similar to the Kiwik Clusjo Swirl + Won-Won Example he just used above.)

That being the case, the one with the highest buff priority, Vercupti (6) would be the only one you get the benefits from.

How am I mistaken?

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DO NOT go by that posted chart by the DEVS. It is full of misinformation.

Kiwik Clusjo Swirl gives a bonus to Health pool NOT health regen.

It stacks just fine with Vercupti.

I test every food I craft and have for almost two years. This is why I was (and continueto be)upset with that chart they published. Your posts are a perfect example of how well it is confusing players.

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Even so.. that would mean they both share Health as Primary Buff Group, and should not stack, according to the rationale laid out in the Friday Feature. Maybe these are some upcoming changes we don't know about yet?

Kiwik Clusjo Swirl (Buff Priority 4)
+302 Health, +200 Action Regen, +50 Mind Regen

Vercupti (Buff Priority 6)
+200 Health, +200 Health Regen, +50 Action Regen, +200 Mind Regen

I admit it.. I am confused.