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Thread: +20 vs +25 Food Experimentation?
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DubC
Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:32 am
#1
My fellow chefs-
I'm wondering if there is a reason to get the additional +5 in food experimentation so that I can cap out at +25. Granted, I know that I will not receive an additional experimentation point past the 12I already have, but does it increase the probability of getting amazing successes or anything?
Higginsis
Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:36 am
#2
basically all the extra 5 points adds is a better chance of amazing success's.
And of course its a advertising/bragging point.
And of course its a advertising/bragging point.
Aolelon
Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:13 pm
#4
+20 makes you a 12 pt and you need 10 exp points to get another experimentation point... the only reason its +25 is thats the highest you can have is 125.. so no there is no difference
Numen
Wed Oct 27, 2004 3:43 pm
#5
Aolelon wrote:
+20 makes you a 12 pt and you need 10 exp points to get another experimentation point... the only reason its +25 is thats the highest you can have is 125.. so no there is no difference
You are assuming the only thing this mod does is give you experimentation points. Many people also believe(myself included) that this skill affects the result of the experiment as well(ie, great, amazing, crit failure and so on).
Like posted above, if the +5 gives a bonus is it very slight. Considering people still really haven't proven than +11 Bespin Port affects crafting, I doubt anyone has proven that the +5 does.
If its easily available to you, then I would get it, but I wouldn't spend 15 million on those 5 points.
Bliznit
Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:51 pm
#6
Bespin port does not do the same thing as a +X food Experimentation tape.
Port gives abonus just like being in a research center (undetermined if they stack) to the "CHANCE" of amazing success on experimentation.
120+ to your food experimetation skill mod will give you 12 points to experiment with.
I have no clue if 120 vs 125 makes a difference.
ChefVomit
Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:36 pm
#7
I tested this long ago with my own +25 outfit. With or without the extra +5 (apron), made ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. I crafted identical Ahrisas 25 times on each using the exact same experimentation technique each time, and recorded the results. I was doing this, because I had a had with +5 that I was Considering selling.
After crafting 50 Ahrisas by hand, the results actually showed that I got one MORE amazing WITHOUT the extra +5 than with it. I chalk this up to simple chance, so my own testing found no advantage to the extra +5.
Does this mean I am right? Nope. Just means its what I found to be true. I might be wrong. All I can do is tell you WHY I think the way I do.
Hope this helps!
After crafting 50 Ahrisas by hand, the results actually showed that I got one MORE amazing WITHOUT the extra +5 than with it. I chalk this up to simple chance, so my own testing found no advantage to the extra +5.
Does this mean I am right? Nope. Just means its what I found to be true. I might be wrong. All I can do is tell you WHY I think the way I do.
Hope this helps!
Okin_Sin
Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:43 am
#8
I have +25, and I can't tell any difference at all to be honest. I don't think it hurts, but if it does help it is very slight.
Okin_Sin
Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:18 am
#9
ChefVomit wrote:
I tested this long ago with my own +25 outfit. With or without the extra +5 (apron), made ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. I crafted identical Ahrisas 25 times on each using the exact same experimentation technique each time, and recorded the results. I was doing this, because I had a had with +5 that I was Considering selling.
After crafting 50 Ahrisas by hand, the results actually showed that I got one MORE amazing WITHOUT the extra +5 than with it. I chalk this up to simple chance, so my own testing found no advantage to the extra +5.
Does this mean I am right? Nope. Just means its what I found to be true. I might be wrong. All I can do is tell you WHY I think the way I do.
Hope this helps!
I don't think testing this is a good option. It seems like the extra 5 would give you maybe a 4% better chance of amazings. I think with this low of a % increase in chance would take a couple thousand tries to see the difference (If there is one). Even then the difference would be slight, maybe 40 more out of 1000 tries.
MetootheCHEF
Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:04 am
#10
Okin_Sin wrote:
ChefVomit wrote:
I tested this long ago with my own +25 outfit. With or without the extra +5 (apron), made ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. I crafted identical Ahrisas 25 times on each using the exact same experimentation technique each time, and recorded the results. I was doing this, because I had a had with +5 that I was Considering selling.
After crafting 50 Ahrisas by hand, the results actually showed that I got one MORE amazing WITHOUT the extra +5 than with it. I chalk this up to simple chance, so my own testing found no advantage to the extra +5.
Does this mean I am right? Nope. Just means its what I found to be true. I might be wrong. All I can do is tell you WHY I think the way I do.
Hope this helps!
I don't think testing this is a good option. It seems like the extra 5 would give you maybe a 4% better chance of amazings. I think with this low of a % increase in chance would take a couple thousand tries to see the difference (If there is one). Even then the difference would be slight, maybe 40 more out of 1000 tries.
but how did you come up with this, and where is your proof or documentation
Higginsis
Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:32 am
#11
MetootheCHEF wrote:
Okin_Sin wrote:
ChefVomit wrote:
I tested this long ago with my own +25 outfit. With or without the extra +5 (apron), made ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. I crafted identical Ahrisas 25 times on each using the exact same experimentation technique each time, and recorded the results. I was doing this, because I had a had with +5 that I was Considering selling.
After crafting 50 Ahrisas by hand, the results actually showed that I got one MORE amazing WITHOUT the extra +5 than with it. I chalk this up to simple chance, so my own testing found no advantage to the extra +5.
Does this mean I am right? Nope. Just means its what I found to be true. I might be wrong. All I can do is tell you WHY I think the way I do.
Hope this helps!
I don't think testing this is a good option. It seems like the extra 5 would give you maybe a 4% better chance of amazings. I think with this low of a % increase in chance would take a couple thousand tries to see the difference (If there is one). Even then the difference would be slight, maybe 40 more out of 1000 tries.
but how did you come up with this, and where is your proof or documentation
Proof of what? He wasn't presenting facts his was stating opinion, one of which i happen to agree with, that this needs alot more testing to see if it truly does make a difference.
But the fact is that that the experimentation skills add points and better chance of amazings. I did some testing with my BE (different points but still applicable) and the amount of great success when i only had +20 experimentation (i only had 2 points obviously) was very low, the further i got up the tree it increased till when i was master that pretty much every experimentation was a great success. So that means the skill obviously enchances the chance of successful experimentation, meaning more amazing successes. But will these extra 5 points make a difference? Probably, a noticable one? Probablynot.
Stewbacca96
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:05 pm
#12
Just making 25 crates is not nearly enough for a good test. I am almost certain that the + to experimentation effects the experimentation successes... The way I tested it was to use NO chef experimentation and then throw on +20 or +25 (well i just have +24 but whatever). There is a HUGE difference between using 0 bonus to experimentation successes as opposed to using +20. So that tells you it has an effect in the Experimentation rolls. So, knowing that all skill mods are capped at 125, this bonus to experimentation should work all the way up to 125. The extra exp points are just an added bonus for these mods. Albeit, there isn't a huge difference going from +20 to +25, but if you can get it and don't really need the few million you could get for selling the extra exp, then may as well go for 25... If you're hurting for money I'd definitely just stay at +20... but I was at +20 and was given a +5 food exp attachment, so figured I'd go up to 24 (had to drop a +1 piece of clothing)... I think it works better, but to be honest I can't tell for sure. I have had times where I can get 2 amazing successes on my first try... other times i gotta burn through a crate anda half of brandy to get 2 amazings... I use bespin port for the 2nd one as well, and it's hard to tell if that works either... but the point is, until I know FOR SURE that it doesn't help, I'll continue to use everything at my disposal to try and make it better.
Okin_Sin
Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:55 am
#13
MetootheCHEF wrote:
Okin_Sin wrote:
ChefVomit wrote:
I tested this long ago with my own +25 outfit. With or without the extra +5 (apron), made ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. I crafted identical Ahrisas 25 times on each using the exact same experimentation technique each time, and recorded the results. I was doing this, because I had a had with +5 that I was Considering selling.
After crafting 50 Ahrisas by hand, the results actually showed that I got one MORE amazing WITHOUT the extra +5 than with it. I chalk this up to simple chance, so my own testing found no advantage to the extra +5.
Does this mean I am right? Nope. Just means its what I found to be true. I might be wrong. All I can do is tell you WHY I think the way I do.
Hope this helps!
I don't think testing this is a good option. It seems like the extra 5 would give you maybe a 4% better chance of amazings. I think with this low of a % increase in chance would take a couple thousand tries to see the difference (If there is one). Even then the difference would be slight, maybe 40 more out of 1000 tries.
but how did you come up with this, and where is your proof or documentation
Not sure what proof your looking for exaclty, or proof of what? The reason I said 4%, if thats what your asking about, is becuase 125 is 4% more then 120. Im not sure if that translates in to 4% better chance, but I figured it did. If it did translate in to a 4% better chance of amazings, then out of 1000 tries, 40 more would be amazings (4% of 1000). There is not proof, this is just an assumption.
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