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Thread: Anybody not looking forward to the stomach empty duration going back to it's intended 30m?
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Thaldar
Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:50 am
#1
Just curious, but is anybody not looking forward to the stomach emptying out in 30m? I could be wrong, but I think you won't see much of a difference between Chef A's food and Chef B's food. People will just experiment on the nutrition line because the default durations will be good enough. I see that anyways currently, but I always tried to balance buff with duration. Now, duration wont be experimented on as much. I know that certain low duration foods will still be experimented on duration, but the long buff ones probably not.
People who understand food may still want long durations since they could take food/drink again once the stomach empties and stack the buff once again, but I think the general person will just want the highest buff...the duration wont be an issue anymore since the stomach empties faster.
On the upside, this means people will be consuming food/drink even faster, so potentially more sales since they'll come back and buy it faster. What do you all think?
Mor-Dan
Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:43 am
#2
this will be nice in some regards. one thing i have been thinking about is experimenting down the filling. a filling of 40 would disperse in 24minutes. most brandy is 40m+. that means for 16m you can be running on a quadruple dose of 350-380 brandy.
and for the full 30m brandy, that just means 410+ x 4 for 10m+. either way, we're going to like it and want more brandy.
at 30m, the stomach would digest one food/drink part every 18s.
and for the full 30m brandy, that just means 410+ x 4 for 10m+. either way, we're going to like it and want more brandy.
at 30m, the stomach would digest one food/drink part every 18s.
MuttonJedi
Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:00 pm
#3
I for one prefer the 45m stomach we have now.
IMO, a great crafting system should provide choices that are somewhat balanced, so that there is no clear best way to do things. Then there is a least a little challenge in finding the best combination, and hopefully room to develop products that appeal to different players for different reasons.
Right now, I feel that there is some amount of balance between our four experimentation lines, although nutrition still seems to be the strongest and quantity the weakest. I think a 30m stomach will only hurt the balance we have and make the profession less interesting.
Mutton
IMO, a great crafting system should provide choices that are somewhat balanced, so that there is no clear best way to do things. Then there is a least a little challenge in finding the best combination, and hopefully room to develop products that appeal to different players for different reasons.
Right now, I feel that there is some amount of balance between our four experimentation lines, although nutrition still seems to be the strongest and quantity the weakest. I think a 30m stomach will only hurt the balance we have and make the profession less interesting.
Mutton
sciguyCO
Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:11 am
#5
I for one am looking forward to this. When the new foods' buffs/durations were collected from TC along with the digestion rate (which started at 60m), a lot of people were freaking out that the overall effect was a nerf to our stat buffs. Well, with the success of brandy, I think that concern was laid to rest. 
The reduced digestion time should also lessen the sting of filling remaining after cloning (since the chances of that feature changing are very very low).The reduced time will also make foods with high filling, low duration more useful.
The reduced digestion time should also lessen the sting of filling remaining after cloning (since the chances of that feature changing are very very low).The reduced time will also make foods with high filling, low duration more useful.If you think a shorter digestion time would make some buffs too powerful (I'm thinking mainly the 40m duration ones like Brandy and Ahrisa), would it be fair to reduce the duration ranges of these foods? Right now, those foods have a duration of 30-60m. What if the range was changed to 20-40m? The food's duration would get the same 1/3rd reduction as the digestion time, so the "timed stacking" (where you stack another dose before the first wears off) should stay about the same as what we're seeing with the 45m stomach. It would also make experimenting on Flavor give a larger absolute return since the range is narrower, even though the top end will be lower.
Trust me, I'm not advocating that food get nerfed unless things would potentially get seriously out of control. Opinions?
Numen
Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:14 am
#6
30m stomach is better for skill foods, 45m for stat foods but mainly because many of them are close to that length.
Some of the instant effect foods right now are almost a waste of stomach space. They all have advantages but I still haven't found a reason for me not to drink 2 brandys instead of drinking 1 and then taking blue milk when I need it. The filling on ormachek makes it next to useless except maybe for Bounty hunters. 15-20ish grants in 30ish minutes(I've gotten a high 60's filling). If the person even cares about exp, that bonus is barely noticeable. There are others, I just won't go into detail on them. Sythsteak I think is fairly well balanced. You can't use it all the time, but it has a nice filling/duration/protection IMO. 30 minutes isn't going to hurt this, 28-45% dmg reduce to me is very little when people wear 80%+ armor and have 2500+ buffs. It helps in PvP only in the fact that people can duel more, and not have to wait for their stomach to empty.
If the devs think it is overpowered that is different, but right now I'm limited to the number of skill buffs I can use just because the fillings and durations don't make sense for some of them. For PvE I want a constant buff, that just isn't possible with many of the foods out there except for some of the stat buffs. When I eat Vegash that is pretty much it. I might be able to add 1 more on top of that. 30m would let me add another. To me that isn't a bad thing. The only bad thing might be that I sell more and therefore have to run more and more schematics of everything each week. I'll just cut back on a few foods though if that happens. Canepe is getting close to taking over 3 factories permanently.
KMad
Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:21 am
#7
i'm confused. i'm not in game now, but i know my veghash is not very filling. if that's all i'm eating i've never once gotten a 'you are too full' message. or do you mean you eat it with some stat buffs?
Numen wrote:
For PvE I want a constant buff, that just isn't possible with many of the foods out there except for some of the stat buffs. When I eat Vegash that is pretty much it. I might be able to add 1 more on top of that. 30m would let me add another.
Meplorium
Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:26 pm
#8
Be it 30m or 45m all foods need a balance pass to be useful/not over powered when the stomach decay is considered. So BoH would need to last longer while brandy needs to last shorter. I don't see them nerfing any food times, as that creates a stupid prenerf market, but they have been that stupid before. I would rather see the stomach remain at 45m and several of the short duration foods and drink get a repass and made better to reflect the stomach decay.
fatgit
Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:28 pm
#9
Erm, can anyone else confirm that stomache is emptying on 30mins now ?
I'm certain mine is, and ive had 4 other PA members say the same.
15mins left on 45min brandy, my stomache is empty
I'm certain mine is, and ive had 4 other PA members say the same.
15mins left on 45min brandy, my stomache is empty
sciguyCO
Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:35 pm
#10
fatgit wrote:
Erm, can anyone else confirm that stomache is emptying on 30mins now ?
I'm certain mine is, and ive had 4 other PA members say the same.
15mins left on 45min brandy, my stomache is empty
When did this happen? And are your food/drink bars "off center" in the character sheet? I've had my colored drink bar start past the left side of the box, so when I'm full (two 50 filling drinks, for example), it doesn't reach all the way over, and some filling remains after the colored bars disappear (shown by being too full to drink two more 50 filling drinks).
If the devs snuck this in without including it in the patch notes, I'll be very put out. 
You didn't happen to check barrels, did you fatgit?
fatgit
Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:47 pm
#11
Stomache is definitely empty after 30mins, just took 2 brandies with 15mins left on the previous ones 
Currently got +1604 MFW
Will see if I have parts for barrels left
Currently got +1604 MFW
Will see if I have parts for barrels left
sciguyCO
Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:52 pm
#12
fatgit wrote:
Stomache is definitely empty after 30mins, just took 2 brandies with 15mins left on the previous ones
Currently got +1604 MFW
Will see if I have parts for barrels left
/happydance
Screw it, I'm leaving work early to go play with this. I guess if food is overpowered with a 30m digestion, now would be the time to find out.
fatgit
Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:59 pm
#13
OK had enough for ONE barrel 
Made no difference in vasarian brandy
Made no difference in vasarian brandy
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