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Battery

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:57 pm

I was talking with some ents and they where saying this food doesn't work ? some thought the buffer needs to use it others said the buffie ? Does anyone know if this food works and if so how ? I'm also wondering if maybe it's like havla and you have to get it to a +xxx number before it works ?

sciguyCO

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:20 pm

#2

I'm not sure what (if any) testing has been done with this. Also, it's hard for a dancer/musician to tell when they're done buffing (more so for a musician since they buff stats that aren't visible to them).

I would say that the entertainer needs to drink it, since the buff calculation is done based on their actions (duration of performance andnumber of flourishes). Also, now that I think about it, I'm not really sure what "Entertainer buff time reduction" really means. AFAIK, the dancer/musician buff can be applied at any time (at least after the 2m cap recently implemented), the variable is the duration ofthe buff. Would drinking a 20% reduction T'ssolok mean that they give a duration normally requiring a 10m performance in 8m? I'm also not sure whether this can break that 2m cap.

I'll see if I can get some details, and give some to the ent correspondants on TC. They're much more knowlegable about ent buffs than I am.

Kriles Ch'artoff , Chilastra server
Master Chef (retired)
Currently doing....stuff

Iplyvi

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:42 pm

#3

While I don't use it personally, I make a lot of it for a Master Dancer in my guild - and she swears by the stuff. As a dancer, she is the one who consumes the T'ssolok and it allows her to buff players in a shorter time (reduced by the percentage of the drink). This allows her to buff more players over an hour than usual, making more tips, which in turn covers the cost of the drink. It also has given her a better-known reputation as someone who can get you buffed and on your way to the front lines quicker. In fact, she tells me that players tip even better when then realize they will be done in 6 minutes rather than 10.

So based on this, I'd say it is working.I don't do combat hoiwever and have never received a mind buff from her using the drink. So perhaps this means nothing.

Iplyvi Olis
Master Architect, Chef & Artisan
The Jungle Spice Cafe' and ArchTech Designs
1010 -6090 Dantooine, Ahazi
only 600m from the agro outpost
(and as Katyryyhn: Master Heavy Swordsman & Brawler)

JehremySung

Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:36 am

#4

I made some recently and I got told that it didn't work (he didn't use mine but I had it made already) I have a bottle of 45% buff time reduction ready and I'll get my personal dancer =) to try it out on me and report back.

Jehremy Sung of Mos Locos

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Selling fine Bio Engineered Foods & Drinks from just outside Coronet.
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KMad

Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:31 am

#5

Iplyvi wrote:

In fact, she tells me that players tip even better when then realize they will be done in 6 minutes rather than 10.

my chef char is also a master dancer. i don't make this drink, because i can do 2-hour duration mind buffs in 4 minutes without it. i never did use the 30-second mind buff that they took away recently.

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Iplyvi

Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:57 am

#6

Yes, I should have stated I was making assumptions on the time. Since I'm not a dancer myself I was just trying to illustrate that the master dancer I was referring to definately felt she was buffing faster - and it was considerable.Like you, she may be doing buffs at a shorter time, maybe even the same 4 minutes. But if so, I am confident that she is seeing the 4 minutes reduced to something significant (to her at least).

So again, the point was to just offer that there is one dancer who feels T'ssolok is a needed bonus to her gameplay. She's happy, and I'm happy to keep selling a steady quantity of a product to a very satisfied customer

Hope this helps!

Iplyvi Olis
Master Architect, Chef & Artisan
The Jungle Spice Cafe' and ArchTech Designs
1010 -6090 Dantooine, Ahazi
only 600m from the agro outpost
(and as Katyryyhn: Master Heavy Swordsman & Brawler)

kelela

Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:13 pm

#7

here's something I got off of the Corbantis boards:

FallAM wrote:

Good stuff, with 24% power of this drink a 4 minute music buff takes just over 3 minutes. That is, with a flourish macro.

looks like it works. Wish it was a bigger reduction though. Someone asked if it could get as high as 48% reduction with bios....I read above about a 45% T'ssolok...but is that the best?

Higginsis

Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:17 pm

#8

I made some with 43% reduction and i've been trying to test it, if it works it could be really useful.

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kelela

Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:10 pm

#9

*sigh* who's right and who's wrong?

Xyrdre wrote (from entertainer boards):

Has anyone yet actually gotten T'ssolok to work though? Last I knew, it didn't work no matter who drank the stuff.

Vicotnik wrote(from entertainer boards):

It's pretty hard to even know if it works. I mean... It's not like we get a "Buff complete" message, or anything.

FallAM wrote (from Corbantis boards):

Good stuff, with 24% power of this drink a 4 minute music buff takes just over 3 minutes. That is, with a flourish macro.

sweatyclimber wrote (from Corbantis boards):

JohnMarble wrote(from Corbantis boards):

T’ssolok has zero affect on anything, sorry. It's a broken drink, put in with the hopes they'd get around to fixing it one day.

actually its not broke, but the poster has the info backwords. T'sslok is for the recipient of the buff. the recipient drinks it and thus reduces time for buffs.

JohnMarble wrote(from entertainer boards):

I don't care how well that guy uses html, we tested it and there was no difference.

Iplyvi wrote (from Chef boards):

...Since I'm not a dancer myself I was just trying to illustrate that the master dancer I was referring to definately felt she was buffing faster - and it was considerable.Like you, she may be doing buffs at a shorter time, maybe even the same 4 minutes. But if so, I am confident that she is seeing the 4 minutes reduced to something significant (to her at least).

If those who volunteered could report back to this post...that would be great. seems that the chef profession isn't doing too well in the entertainer field and that the clientele are a little disgruntled about it too. If this food is bugged, it should be added to the bug list (if it hasn't been added already). It's a little unsettling how little we know about this food and even about who exactly is supposed to drink it. I can't wait for answers on this one especially since I posted to my community about it. So any help/results would be grrrrrreatly appreciated.

Selandria

Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:56 pm

#10

Okies, Velara (original poster of this thread) and I (plus a few test subjects) did some systematic testing of this drink tonight. Conclusion: it is bugged and does absolutely nothing.

First, as most of you probably don't know me, let me just say that if there was a 'Master Buffer' title in this game, I'd have earned it many a moon ago. I am well known on Eclipse, and do a *LOT* of mind buffing every day. I am both a dancer and a musician. People come to me all the time for help on how to give mind buffs when they master either dancer or musician. In short, I know what I'm doing when it comes to giving mind buffs.

My standard buff is the 3min 20s 'fast' buff, done by doing 5 flourishes every 8 seconds (the flourish cap enforced by the servers). For those that don't know how mind buffs work, you might want to go read this thread: Hard numbers on buffs. In short every flourish and every 'tick' (occurs every 10 seconds) adds 1 minute of duration to the mind buff. So for a 2 hour buff (the maximum duration of a mind buff), you need 120 flourishes or ticks. When overflowing, this works out to the magic 3min 20s. The 2 miniute minimum instituded in publish 8 only affects if you will receive a buff or not. It is not 'dead time'; flourishes and ticks during the first 2 minutes *DO* accure duration for the mind buff.

The tests:

1) Ran mybuff flourish macro for exactly 2 minutes. Resulting duration: 1 hr 15min (the anticipated result)

2) I take a sip of Velara's 43% reduction T'ssolok, do another 2 minute buff. Resulting duration: 1 hr 11min

3) Next, since there is speculation that the buffee is the one that has to drink the T'ssolok, we tested the buffee taking a hit, then did buff macro for 2 min. Resulting duration: 1hr 14min

So far, it's looking like it doesn't help. But knowing that buffs accrue duration based on two different items, flourishes and ticks, surmised that maybe the drink works by making the 'tick' accural higher without influencing the flourishes. In a 2min buff, there are only 12 ticks -- the bulk of the accrual is coming from flourishes. To test this, we then did some experiments with 'slow' buffs, where I did not overflo.

* 6 minute music buff (2 flourishes per tick), no T'ssolok: duration 1hr 48min

* 6 minute music buff (2 flourishes per tick), with T'ssolok: duration 1hr 48min

So again, no difference.

In summary, this drink does not work, regardless of if it is the buffer or the buffee that is consuming it.

If I've missed something, please let me know and I'd be happy to test it again. With 43% reduction, the 3min 20s buff would basically become capped by the 2 minute minimum duration enforcement. While I wouldn't use this as a course of regular buffing (for one, the stomach filling vs. duration of the drinks' effect wouldn't allow continuous use), it would be handy to have the option of a 2 min T'ssolok 'speed' buff for those special situations.

Sel

Selandria
Master Musician / Master Dancer / Master Image Designer / Master Entertainer / Smugglers' Alliance Ace Pilot

Co-founder and co-leader of Twin Suns Entertainers (TSEnt)
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Battery

Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:12 pm

#11

Told you, you should make the post I would have just said it didn't work

sciguyCO

Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:47 am

#12

/cheer Selandria

Thank you for taking the time to test this. I'll add it to the list of bugged food, and we can let people know to avoid it until we get it fixed.

Of course, if anyone has seen a difference and can lay out the details, more info is always useful.

Kriles Ch'artoff , Chilastra server
Master Chef (retired)
Currently doing....stuff

kelela

Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:12 am

#13

Thank you Selandria! You are definitely awesome - very good detail. We needed a person with your expertise here and ya came through. Thanks to you and your testers.

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