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Thread: How much difference do the BE additives make, per point?
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PurpleWarrior
Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:05 am
#1
I saw a post on here somewhere where a Chef commented that the difference between a +84 and a +86 BSN wasn't that much, is that true?
Taking Vasarian as the example (I know chefs make a lot of other stuff, but I understand the numbers on Vasarian 
) If you made Vasarian with exactly the same ingredients apart from a 2 point difference on the BSN, what stats would change and by how much?
) If you made Vasarian with exactly the same ingredients apart from a 2 point difference on the BSN, what stats would change and by how much?I often jump through hoops trying to make+86 or better BSNs for a chef friend of mine, but wonder if she'd get decent results with a lower bonus.
I would ask her to experiment but satisfying my curiosity probably isn't high on her list of priorities 
MuttonJedi
Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:55 am
#2
A +84 BSN multiplies the unenhanced buff by 1.84. A +86 BSN multiplies by 1.86. So, the +86 will give (1.86-1.84)/1.84 or about 1.1% higher buff than a +84.
Because of the way the rounding is done, the actual increase is not always the same, but for brandy it is typically 2 or 3 points of buff per point of BSN.
Mutton
Because of the way the rounding is done, the actual increase is not always the same, but for brandy it is typically 2 or 3 points of buff per point of BSN.
Mutton
Moebius01
Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:38 pm
#3
You know what's odd is that *I* was just experimenting with this as well. My alt is also BE, and I had a few crates left over from one of my first BSN runs (a cruddy +83 bonus).I crafted a comparison between brandy made with these, and brandy made with my current +87's... EXPECTING a big difference using the same flora components. Much to my surprise the difference (in my eyes at least) was hardly noticeable - a matter of a few points really. I was somewhat shocked and admitedly a bit dismayed...because if I am talking the difference of a few points higher buff, and weigh that against the considerably higher cost/difficulty of obtaining exponetially higher stat components required to MAKE +87-88's... I can't say I see the extra cost and effort very justifiable. Then again... thebrandy marketis so competitive, that sometimes your entire reputation can hinge on those few extra points. Urgh... who knows? What does everyone else think?
What does everyone else think?
DarthXerin
Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:49 pm
#4
I am just now getting back into my chef mode. I stopped a while to grind some holos. I too make alot of brandy because my guildies want it. I cannot tell a significant difference between brandies using BE stuff that is just a few pts difference. I have a friend who is in an all ranger guild, so i can usually get a large supply of moderate to high quality meat. What I was wandering and really havent had a chance to experiment yet is what has more effect on your final product. Finding uber meat to get uber BE tissues or finding uber berries and fruits. It is much easier to survey for a good berry spawn and plop down a few heavy harvesters that to harvest creature foods. So I was wandering which would be more efficient use of time? To use good meat to make +80 BSN's and uber berries or to find uber meat to make +90 BSN's and some +700-800 berries.
sciguyCO
Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:05 pm
#5
Like MuttonJedi pointed out, additives are a percentage bonus. So the actual benefit will depend on what food you're dealing with and what, if any, rounding is done on the food.
Let's say you've got some fruits/berries that allow you to make a +220 brandy when you don't use an additive.
82 BSN: 220 * 1.82 = 400.4, rounded to +400.
84 BSN: 220 * 1.84 = 404.8, rounded to +404.
86 BSN: 220 * 1.86 = 409.2, rounded to +409.
88 BSN: 220 * 1.88 = 413.6, rounded to +413.
So each +1 on the BSN gives +2.2 to the final buff, 1% of the "starting" value of 220.
Bigger additives do come in handy when you're trying tohit a particular buffon some foods. For example, a +25 bivoli is difficult to make with a 112 nanonutrient. Using a 115 makes getting to that buff easier, and allows for more experimentation points to be spent in quantity or filling.
Co-valent
Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:26 am
#6
sciguyCO wrote:
84 BSN: 220 * 1.84 = 404.8, rounded to +404.
Just becauseI'm pendantic 
, but doesn't 404.8 round to 405 when making Chef Food or Drink? Or was it a typo? No offence meant, I'm just interested. Is it set so any extra decimal numbers are ignored?
, but doesn't 404.8 round to 405 when making Chef Food or Drink? Or was it a typo? No offence meant, I'm just interested. Is it set so any extra decimal numbers are ignored?
sciguyCO
Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:49 am
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I'm not 100% positive, but I believe that all rounding in SWG is down, just stripping off the decimal. Or for things like Bivoli dropping all the decimal places past a certain point. But I haven't really done enough testing to be sure.
Co-valent wrote:
sciguyCO wrote:
84 BSN: 220 * 1.84 = 404.8, rounded to +404.
Just becauseI'm pendantic
MilkToast
Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:28 pm
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Co-valent wrote:
sciguyCO wrote:
84 BSN: 220 * 1.84 = 404.8, rounded to +404.
Just becauseI'm pendantic
Lol, they don'y really round, they truncate.
Meplorium
Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:25 pm
#9
The difference between +398 and +402 is huge. The difference between +402 and +407 isn't. You need to hit those pyscological cut offs, like 400 for brandy. In this case an amazing, skill tapes or high quality additve can get that 398 to 402 and save that final exp point. That extra exp point can get that 44m to 45.5m. So they can make a difference when you are close but short of that cut off. Otherwise a 82 can work just as well as an 87 given you have skill tapes for 12 points and good port/brandy/crafting stations. Not that I would ever turn down 87 enchancers, but I wouldn't spend 40cpu just to get the meat to make them. It isn't worth it. The important thing is just to have the enhancer in there. You can balance the rest with good food ingredients or amazing successes.
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