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Thread: Additives, which should I use?
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shargus
Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:57 am
#1
I understand the difference between lights, mediums and heavies but with each type there are 4 different stats I can bump. I would normally think nutritional bonus would be the one you want to use, is that correct? Does anyone use BE addtives for flavor? and what final stats does that affect?
Sorry if these are pretty basic questions.
Thanks
Olanthe
Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:14 am
#2
In general: Nutrition = buff size, Flavor = duration, Filling (I think that's what it's called - the top row, anyway) = filling, and Quantity = stack size.
On most of my foods, I use the nutrient enhancers, to up the size of the buff. This can either make awe-inspiring foods, or allow me to put points into other areas while still having a useful sized buff. For instance, I use nutrient enhancers in Canape, and then experiment the filling down to 33 before putting the rest of the points back into buff size.
There are a couple of exceptions, however. On Parwan Nutricake, the burst run food, the nutrition line affects the HAM costs (which hardly anyone cares about), while flavor affects the recovery bonus, which is what just about everyone wants the food for. So I use flavor enhancers for this one, and can get the recovery past 100% with a point or so left for filling.
Another example would be Flameout, as mentioned in a recent thread. This is a high damage reduction for a short duration, with a naturally high filling making it a one-shot food. There's no point in getting the damage reduction over 100%, so nutrient enhancers are pretty useless; and flavor enhancers apparently don't really help the duration that much. So the filling enhancements might be the best choice here, allowing for two or more to be taken in succession.
Personally I don't find the quantity enhancers to be of any use at all, but your mileage may vary.
sciguyCO
Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:24 am
#3
The majority of customers are always looking for those high + numbers, so nutrition additives are by far the most popular.
Quantity additives are the least popular because 1) people buy crates anyway, the larger stack size isn't as big a deal, 2) they don't add any benefit to each dose, the extra cost doesn't really get the consumer anythingand 3) Chefs like repeat business, this increases the time between individual sales. Although combining a quantity additive with casks can make for some pretty impressive single-stack drinks (you can get Brandy up to 75 doses or more).
The flavor (affects buff duration) and filling additives are a bit in limbo right now. The only food that doesn'tbenefit from a nutrition additive is Flameout (since anything over 100% damage reduction is pointless), although I think it's a prime candidate for a filling additive.For most stat buff foods you can't get the filling low enough with a filling additive to "stack" multiple doses higher than what you'd get just putting in a nutrition additive. Although it could be used to squeeze in more types of foods into the player's stomach, which might be handy for the "Defense vs. X" drinks/foods.
Flavor additives could conceivably get you a higher final buff on foods with 30m+ durations (since the buff lasts longer relative to the digestion time), but requires more work on the user's part. They'd have to time their doses, and plan to have the peak buff at a useful moment.
Numen
Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:34 pm
#4
The filling additives to me would only be useful in foods that are very expensive to make and that don't accept casks. Smugglers delight is the only one that comes to mind. The idea is that it would have to be cheaper to make the food+quantity additive than just 3 times the amount of food(for a heavy addtive at least). Considering it is 40 units of milk per food, I can see this being a possibility.
The one reason why nutrition additives are so popular is the ease of making them. They are by far the easiest additive to make, and it doesn't help that it is one of the best bonuses. There is no way I could get enough milk or domestic meat to make the quantities of other additives that I do with nutrition ones.
shargus
Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:23 pm
#5
Wow, after reading all of your great responses I have discovered I there is a lot to learn and consider.
Thanks for sharing all this information.
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