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Jayhawk301
Tue May 18, 2004 4:42 pm
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I've approached several Chefs with a request to supply me with a V-Brandy schematic. I offer to supply all resources needed to include BIO componets for meduim food additive and Trim for cask. I ask for sub schematics such as alcohol and cask. I in return will give them money or half a factory run of 20 or 40 crates. I will make in my factories or let them make in theirs. So far i can not get the time of day from them. Is my request something chef's do not do or is it a real problem for chefs.
I'm a doctor and have no vendor, i'm not making it to sale i use alot and need a steady source. It is hard to find stocked vendors at times without spending half my play time in a day. Also the cost is getting higher for 400+ stuff. I thought a chef would jump at the chancewto get 10-20 cases of brandy free by spenting maybe an hour at most making a few schematics with someones elses resources. I also offer to pay money for scematics if they wish instead of product.
I've tried emails to chefs so as not to offend while playing and busy still no response or no thanks. I've asked if they were not interested could they tell me what level of quaility in resources i would need to get 400+ brandy. Again no response I'm getting no help from chefs. I hope someone can tell me what is so dumb or bad about my offer so i don't keep getting a wrong impression of chefs and only money is important ,not helping others willing to work for product they want at a reduced price.
I could be off on my impression and i don't classify all chefs this way so sorry if my last comment offends somone not meant to. Just frustrated and if this is and off base idea then i have lots of resources,trim and Bio componets to sale cheap, lol.
sciguyCO
Tue May 18, 2004 5:21 pm
#2
Selling schematics is a touchy subject with a lot of crafting professions. On the one hand, it's "free money", since you'd be providing the resources and factory time. On the other hand, it's tough to find a pricing scheme for schematics that is both agreeable to the buyer and not undercutting their own business. I do think it's a little rude for them not to at least give you a "I don't sell schematics" response, but it is their choice I suppose.
I can give you a few tips on what you'll need, though, should you find someone agreeable to this.
First, a full factory run of brandy is only going to be 20 crates (499 final stacks), since it requires 2 identical alcohols. Starting with a 1000 run of alcohol, two get used up making the schematic,
Shopping list:
- 20 crates of Broad Spectrum Nutrients (you'll want to look for 85 bonus or higher for best results)
- If you're looking to make a similar deal with a BE, you'll need 30k of flora and 10k of meat. Experimental percentages for tissues are 50%PE, 25%OQ, 25% Flavor IIRC.
- 40 crates of trim for casks. These don't all have to be identical (containers don't have serial number requirements in the final drink) but you will want an even number in each "run".
- To make trim requires the Formal Wear 1 skill in tailor, and a total of 20k fiberplast and 5k inert petrochemical (quality doesn't matter).
- 75k crystalline gemstone (grind qualtiy is fine) for casks
- 10k cereal (grind quality is fine) for the alcohol.
- 7.5k water (grind quality) for medium additive
- 10k fruits. Not just any "fruit", it has to be "{Planet}ian Fruit", flowers or berries won't work. Quality matters
- 10k berries. Quality matters.
The general equation for Brandy buff size is this:
Max percentage = [ (FruitOQ + BerryOQ) *1 / 6 + (FruitPE + BerryPE) * 2 / 6 ] / 1000
Assuming the chef experiments the Nutrition category to max:
Buff size = ( 150 + 90 * MaxPercent ) * (1 + AdditiveBonus / 100)
With an 85 additive, the max percentage needs to be above 73% to get a +400 buff, so look for fruits and berries with OQ and PE at least in the 700s. Lower OQ is offset by higher PE at a two-for-one tradeoff (so 600 OQ & 750 PE = 700 OQ & 700 PE).
To get all the pieces, you andthe chef will need to do this:
- Make cask schematic(s) using gemstone and trim. The chef can hand-make one to include in the final step.
- Make alcohol schematic using cereal. Run factory with 20 units in the input hopperto make 2 alcohol.
- Make additive schematic using water and BSN. Run factory with 1 BSN and 15 water to make 1 medium additive.
- Using cask, alcohol, additive, berries, and fruit, make Brandy schematic.
You then go off and finish the component factory runs from steps 1, 2 & 3, then put the results of those along with the fruit & berries into the factory with the brandy schematic.
Good luck, I think you'll probably need it to find a chef. /shrug.
Message Edited by sciguyCO on 05-18-2004 06:32 PM
Jayhawk301
Tue May 18, 2004 5:57 pm
#3
Wow thanks man, your response was more than i could ask for. I wish you were on Sunrunner. Again thanks it was very kind to spent the time to give me the info needed. I do now take back any negitive i said about chefs.
Ankor
Tue May 18, 2004 11:54 pm
#4
Personally, I can give you a few reasons Chefs may not want to do this:
1) it's a PAIN. With all the sumbcompoents and identical serial #s and such, making Brandy is like a 10 step process (as Sci detailed), and it either requires multiple meetings or traveling to a factory, running it, making another schem, waiting for the factory, etc. This is not a 5 minute meeting at a startport like when I have a BE make my additive schems.
2) the couple people I've had approach me about making schematics were completely unwilling to compensate me for my time, my grind, my expended skill points, the millions I spent on +Experiment skill tapes, etc. Now when I get a schematic request from someone I don't know it's followed by an internal "*groan* not again" feeling.
3) It's unlikely that I would have any interest in being given half of your Brandy run. If the ingridients you use aren't on a par with those I use, then my half of your Brandy run wouldn't be of the same quality as that which I sell. What am I going to do with 10 crates of mediocre Brandy when my customers are accustomed to excellent stuff?
Now, you seem to be polite and flexible on these issues, so I think you should be able to find a Chef partner, but I'm not suprised most are predisposed to saying no. Good luck.
1) it's a PAIN. With all the sumbcompoents and identical serial #s and such, making Brandy is like a 10 step process (as Sci detailed), and it either requires multiple meetings or traveling to a factory, running it, making another schem, waiting for the factory, etc. This is not a 5 minute meeting at a startport like when I have a BE make my additive schems.
2) the couple people I've had approach me about making schematics were completely unwilling to compensate me for my time, my grind, my expended skill points, the millions I spent on +Experiment skill tapes, etc. Now when I get a schematic request from someone I don't know it's followed by an internal "*groan* not again" feeling.
3) It's unlikely that I would have any interest in being given half of your Brandy run. If the ingridients you use aren't on a par with those I use, then my half of your Brandy run wouldn't be of the same quality as that which I sell. What am I going to do with 10 crates of mediocre Brandy when my customers are accustomed to excellent stuff?
Now, you seem to be polite and flexible on these issues, so I think you should be able to find a Chef partner, but I'm not suprised most are predisposed to saying no. Good luck.
Jayhawk301
Wed May 19, 2004 10:50 am
#5
Thank you that helps with understanding and i agree it would be a pain and i only want to use high quaility stuff i want 400+ brandy. i would be willing to pay for time and effort so both would profit again this helps me in my approach. I'm a doc and get hundreds of request s for stuff and understand the groan. I know i'll find someone now with your guys help, I1more questions can you only use talusian berries and fruit in V-Brandy.
sciguyCO
Wed May 19, 2004 10:54 am
#6
No, fruit/berries from any planet will work, the "Talusian" label in the schematic is just on the descriptive slot name, the actual ingredient list only specifies "20 Berries" and "20 Fruits".
Jayhawk301 wrote:
I1 more questions can you only use talusian berries and fruit in V-Brandy.
Jayhawk301
Wed May 19, 2004 1:04 pm
#7
Again thank you for spenting the time you did to answer my questions with that info i now have a complete understanding of what is needed and last night worked out a agreement with a bio dude for BSN. I supply stuff and what is need i know thanks to your response. So it is going better now with the responses and now i know how to approach a little better.
So chefs do rock. You guys proved it.
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