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Abel_II
Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:41 pm
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First of I don't care if Devs wanna blame the issue on the higher ups. The fact remains that there is a problem and unless the devs wanna give us info on how to contact the higher ups then they should take the blame!


Deleting a post that tells the truth is wrong...guess freedom of speach doesn't exist in SOE world. It would make my job a whole lot easier as a devloper of software if I could tell my clients that there issues are not important and was posted in the wrong way,


Also people have been polite about the whole issue for 6 months now with no results, we are all paying customers and we should be treated as such. I don't want to hear about the Devs struggling with the higher ups, I want to hear that you all recognize the issues and a date on when they will be fixed.



SirVimes
Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:13 pm
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First off, I am not a developer. I am a paying customer just like you.


Secondly, the only part of your post that was deleted was a swear...you are really surprised?


Third, as far as I am concerned, criticising the developers is fine. Let them know what they are doing that you don't like. What is not cool is calling for them to be fired and calling for flames.


Finally...what do you really want to accomplish? "Oh, no! The second least popular profession is flaming us. Oh no! Oh well, let's work on smugglers."


The fact of the matter is that the fixes are on the way. We don't ahve a date yet because the developers don't have a date they are sure they are going to make. If you worked in computers you would know that things can always go wrong and you vhave to push the dates back. So they are not going to give us a date until they are fairly certain of when the new systems they are creating will make it to the test center.


That all being said, it is going at the speed it has too. My biggest complaint about the chef profession is that it has a very half-assed, unfinished feeling to it. Like they got to the end of beta and just threw out what they had without any tweaking. If they are going to revamp chefs, I want them to do it right! I want them to take their time, get the bugs out, balance everything so that this revamp is the only revamp needed for a couple of years. And that does take time.


You want them to rush and get the new stuff too us as soon as possible, not caring if it is balanced or bug free, but just get it out the door to stop us whining? If that is what you want, then go ahead...keep shouting. Let's see where it gets us.

DashZero
Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:47 pm
#3

and since you have the right to bash and seem to feel to the need to bash us for something we have no control over...hrmm wonder what the next step is. Oh wait, we should all sit back and let you bash us and talk trash about us right? Its a one way thing huh? You have the right to bash us, but you dont deserve to be bashed back? Pure genious. The devs are treating us better than you are. At least they are only ignoring us, you are insulting us.




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BranrStarkiller
Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:15 pm
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Actually, Abel, you have a privilege to post here, not a right. Rights can't be taken away, but if you continue to post these non-constructive, trolling posts, I am sure your access can easily be taken away.



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Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:28 pm
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Osveato

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:06 am Post subject:

i gave you a five star since you got hit with the one star bandit



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DashZero

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:14 am Post subject:

Unless you think sirV is a dev, no dev has said that (that ive seen) heck whats a dev, never seen one here. And no, freedom of speech does not exist in a private place particularly when youve agreed to the "rules and regulations" that they apply.


If you would like to practice freedom of speech regarding it, I would suggest that you go to a public forum as opposed to a private one. Maybe some game sites etc. (which probably still have terms/conditions of use but are likely more lenient)





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Gizmarke

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:15 am Post subject:

its not a question of truth buddy.


They know the game isn't perfect. They're working on it. Having everyone impatient person whining on message boards doesn't solve anything. If you're patient, and gain some perspective, you'll see that they Are fixing the game as best as they can. Nobody is perfect. If you're not happy paying for a game that isn't complete, QUIT THE GAME.


Just walk away, it feels Much better than whining about it. Devs had nothing to do with your post getting deleted anyway. And you don't have freedom of speech when you start saying negative things about people directly. Do you have the right to say it, fine. But should you?





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Abel_II

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:19 am Post subject:

Yet another defender of the devs. Yea they really need that.

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sciguyCO

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:25 am Post subject:

Um, what truth? Yeah there areproblems with chefs, but asking for a dev to be fired accomplishes what, exactly? Communication is bad, but definitely improving towards what I'd like to see. The balance pass has been a long time coming, but with what I've seen of the proposedcombat special and HAM changes, I think that our recipe changes should wait until that's straightened out. What's useful and balanced now may not be after those changes.


Honestly, the only "truth" I read into your previous post here was that you liked to rant. And those posts never lasts long before getting closed.


And just because it's a bit of a forum pet peeve of mine, I'll pass this along: Freedom of speech means that the government (more specifically the US government) can not pass any laws to stop citizens from voicing their opinions. Unless SOE staged a coup this morning, took over the White House,and kept the existing constitution, they are free to close, delete, or edit anything they want on their boards. Heck, they can tell you to F* off and die, and you couldn't do anything about it. Of course, any company that has an interest in happy customers should keep that to a minimum...


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Killtacular

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:34 am Post subject:

"Deleting a post that tells the truth is wrong...guess freedom of speach doesn't exist in SOE world."


Heh, why don't you just call your first post "gospel", since it was about as close to that as it is the truth.


What you posted is your "opinion" there bud.


I'm sorry (because I doubt you will agree), but coming here and berating everyone whose opinion differs from yours goes a LONG way in illustrating you as a whiner and a troll.


Anyone who spends any time on these boards knows Chef has issues, AND we all know we are getting very little feedback. We don't need another voice shouting the obvious and accomplishing nothing but getting Chef board posts locked.


So what am I trying to say? Post something we DON'T know already and you may get a better response. But understand, Devs don't read this board, and if they did...I can guarantee they wouldn't take the time to open your threads.


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DashZero

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:34 am Post subject:

last I checked freedom of speech didnt apply on a private message board particularly when youve agreed to abide by their regulations.


Frankly you are right. but once again your demeanor is terrible and you sound like a whiney 6 yr old brat. hrmm support the whiney crybaby or support the dev or stay out of it... well I can tell you what option falls at the bottom of my list. But its quite apparant that if we dont join you in your whininess grovelling for attention that we must be supporters of the devs and obviously are blind to the truth.


We all know the deal. ALL of us. All your whining like a silly child like this issomehow a new situationisnt gonna change anything. If you irritate them too much they will just ban you. All you are doing here is irritating people. Even the people that agree with you in theory.


"yet another defender of the devs. yea they really needed that"


Yet another crybaby trying to incite riots. yea we really need that.


Present what you have to say in an appropriate manner and you just may find some support. Present what you say by saying Im right and if you dont agree with me you suck and I want my candy now manner, and nobody no dev or chef is gonna care what you say. Its all in the delivery. You still need a little more work. Sorry but Im not willing to put my I agree and support this behind someone who makes a case in such a manner.


Ive made basically the same posts...like the one about posts being deleted..tho I didnt ask why cause we all know why. Nor I did I claim a right to freedom of speech when that quite obviously doesnt apply. I think you might have a better response if you backed away a little bit and calmed down. Talking to other chefs in a bemeaning fashion certainly isnt gonna win any hearts here.




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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:36 am Post subject:

Nikii is right, there is no freedom of speech on private forums. Had this forum been sponsered by or operated by the government it would be a different story but it isnt. It's owned and operated by a division of sony and they have the right to do basically whatever they want.



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