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Thread: The Best Brandy is +325 for 60 minutes
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nikko11
Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:42 am
#1
Why? Because it lasts longer than it buffs for.
While two +425 for 40 minutes will keep me up to 850, the 325s will have me up to 975 in 30 minutes.
After that, just keep a macro on that hits the brandy every couple minutes.
Soon as you can, you'll keep stacking it, and keep your mind stats above 1000 buffs constantly.
50% fill, of course.
Neeka
CaraAnam
Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:47 am
#2
Pardon me.....
wait after sitting and thinking for a while yah you are right
but...the hard part of all of this will be educating your buyer....into seeing this as well and ensuring that you start your brandy 1/2 hour before you are fighting lol 
Onsa
Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:53 am
#3
where can you get such a brandy??? best i've seen is 425 40 mins... the longer the better as you digest in 46mins.. that is 6mins you are unbuffed.
Battery
Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:01 am
#4
you must be a human 
Races with low subs like a twi need higher buffs ( 420s + ) I make a +426 46minute brandy and a 360 57m brandy. I found with the long duration stuff I had to use alot more ahrisa and canape and couldn't use as many state def and damage reduction foods, but with the +426 stuff I was fine with just 1 ahrisa most of the time. You can get 3 going longer but I still ended up foodfull more often.
For humans with thier huge ( bug ) mind pool the long duration stuff works for PvE, I wouldn't PvP with it though.
) mind pool the long duration stuff works for PvE, I wouldn't PvP with it though.
FantasticPlastic
Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:38 am
#5
I've thought this myself, and I may be seeing what I can do to make some like this. Overlapping the buffs is excellent, and this way you get 15 minutes beyond the filling on every brandy.
I also wanted to see about using Duration BE bonuses on Canape to get some canape that would buff +280 or so for 25 minutes or more. It seems like the same overlapping principle would work there, considering 33 filling canape is digested in 15 minutes.
Odeko Resci / Okedo Resci
I also wanted to see about using Duration BE bonuses on Canape to get some canape that would buff +280 or so for 25 minutes or more. It seems like the same overlapping principle would work there, considering 33 filling canape is digested in 15 minutes.
Odeko Resci / Okedo Resci
MilkToast
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:18 am
#6
I've been making +406, 51 minute brandy for general use. It seems like a good compromise between buff and duration.
MuttonJedi
Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:05 am
#7
The problem is you cannot actually keep the 975 buff going constantly. With this method you take your third brandy after 30 minutes and you will take a fourth at 45 minutes. You will have 15 minutes of a nice 1300 point buff, but at the 60 minute mark the first two brandies wear off and you are down to 650. It will take another 7.5 minutes before you are ready to drink another and get back up to 975.
Over time, you will have 15 minutes of 975 triple buff followed by 7.5 minutes of 650 double buff, repeating indefinitely.
Another way to look at it is to calculate the average buff you get by multiplying buff size * duration, and dividing by digestion time. You can have a higher buff running for some time, but you will need a lower buff some of the time to balance it out. You cannot have a continuous buff that exceeds this average. In the case of +325/60m brandy, the average is 235*60/22.5=866.67 and is achieved by 1 minute of 650 buff for each 2 minutes of 975 buff.
If your goal is to keep a continuous triple buff going with 50 filling brandy, you need (buff size * duration / 22.5) >= (3 * buff size) or duration >= 3*22.5 = 67.5. So, anything less than 67.5m duration and you will have to put up with double buff or lower for at least some of the time.
Mutton
Over time, you will have 15 minutes of 975 triple buff followed by 7.5 minutes of 650 double buff, repeating indefinitely.
Another way to look at it is to calculate the average buff you get by multiplying buff size * duration, and dividing by digestion time. You can have a higher buff running for some time, but you will need a lower buff some of the time to balance it out. You cannot have a continuous buff that exceeds this average. In the case of +325/60m brandy, the average is 235*60/22.5=866.67 and is achieved by 1 minute of 650 buff for each 2 minutes of 975 buff.
If your goal is to keep a continuous triple buff going with 50 filling brandy, you need (buff size * duration / 22.5) >= (3 * buff size) or duration >= 3*22.5 = 67.5. So, anything less than 67.5m duration and you will have to put up with double buff or lower for at least some of the time.
Mutton
KMad
Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:49 am
#8
i had a customer ask me what's the absolute max duration i can get on my brandy. i played around with fruit and berries, and experimented different than i usually do, and hit +364 for 54 minutes. what this customer is looking for isn'ta triple buff, but just longer lasting buffs that are 'good enough' for running PVE missions.
my usual brandy is +438 for 46 minutes, 49 filling, 18 in a stack, and i do a run of 20 at least every 3 days. i never pvp myself but i feed a lot of pvp'rs.
i posted on the kett forum to see if anybody else, other than that one customer, would be interested in a weaker but longer-lasting brandy, and there have been several posts. so, i have a batch in the oven, and we'll see how it does. it's 49 filling like my usual, but has 21 uses.
Meplorium
Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:51 pm
#9
If you wanted to maintain a constant 3 brandy buff you would need a 67.5m brandy. At that point you are talking duration additives and power around 200. That is still 600-700 buff when the 420, 45m brandy gives 840ish. So you can not maintain the constant triple buff with this stuff.
Also as a use thing, triple buff isn't a smart way to go. Having enough stomach to drop an extra bandy is a good thing. Works like a blue milk with higher regen rates. The real key is to provide 1-5m past that 45m mark so you can get that brandy in the combat que at a good time. 45m brandy falls short when you are being attacked on the 45th minute. So a bit of an over lap is a good thing. A 15m over lap though is a bit, over kill. My current stock is 412 for 50m. More than enough time to rebuff.
DaBomB691
Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:40 am
#10
as a veteran pvper and constantly pvping everyday, the best brandy is 49 fil 400+ 47 minute. you can quadruple stack this way, and virtually never have a downtime even with a triple stack right when it is available.
Okin_Sin
Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:31 am
#11
Kmad worte "my usual brandy is +438 for 46 minutes, 49 filling, 18 in a stack, and i do a run of 20 at least every 3 days. i never pvp myself but i feed a lot of pvp'rs."
Man that is some good brandy, you must have some super resources for that.
mpsharp
Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:49 am
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The problem is you cannot actually keep the 975 buff going constantly. With this method you take your third brandy after 30 minutes and you will take a fourth at 45 minutes. You will have 15 minutes of a nice 1300 point buff, but at the 60 minute mark the first two brandies wear off and you are down to 650. It will take another 7.5 minutes before you are ready to drink another and get back up to 975.
Mutton
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Mutton
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Try this.
Take one, wait 15 minutes, take another, wait 15 minutes, take another, stack as available. You should be able to triple stack without a problem.
And I mostly PvE, and yes, I am Human with a full mind pool 1000/1000/1000 with 400 primaries.
I keep my drink full of brandy, and for trouble in PvP I take a Vercupti.
And my Ahrisa is +325 for 56 minutes too... 33% filling, usually only keep one stacked though, keeping enough room for some 1100 vercuppti.
And I have a chef alt, so I make my own stuff..
Neeka/Cewy
MuttonJedi
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:29 am
#13
mpsharp wrote:Try this.Take one, wait 15 minutes, take another, wait 15 minutes, take another, stack as available. You should be able to triple stack without a problem.
Follow the stack-as-available part out for a couple of hours though. Before you finish a single session of doc buffs, you will start having drinks wear off when you are too full to replace them, unless your stomach is going faster than the 45 minutes most people have found.
Think of it this way: at some point your stomach will be 100% full and you will have 3 brandies going. After 22.5 minutes, your stomach will be down to 50% and you can replace one brandy. After another 22.5 minutes, you can replace a second brandy. You will have to wait yet another 22.5 minutes to replace the third brandy. If that third brandy didn't last at least 67.5 minutes, it will have worn off before it could be replaced.
Mutton
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