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Thread: Blue Milk?
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Happymob
Mon May 03, 2004 2:41 pm
#14
I would agree that brandy is better than blue milk in most situations, but where blue milk (and aitha to a lesser extent) come in handy is when you are PvPing, have a fairly full stomach, but still need that extra mind now. Brandy is great for keeping my mind up in PvE, but if I am getting targeted by a rifleman in PvP, there is no way that the brandy can keep up.
To make this work, you don't necessarily want the highest heal, but instead the lowest filling. That way, it will generally work when you need it to work (and if you can always take more than 1 dose if you have the stomach for it). I carry both low fillng Blue Milk and lower filling Aitha.
Grimwrath
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:26 pm
#15
I was looking around at numerous Chef vendors, trying to find a new batch of Blue Milk (the mind-heal drink). I didn't see a single dose of the stuff on any of the vendors I checked. Has this drink been changed or removed entirely? I'm just returning to the game, so wasn't around for a lot of the changes that have taken place over the last several months.
I loved that stuff... I really hope they didn't change it or remove the schem altogether.
Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.
-Elderyth Pa'oza
Kettemoor
SmitherBone
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:29 pm
#16
No, they haven't removed it.. But it might have something to do with the fix of the /harvest milk bug (allowed you to harvest milk after a creature was dead)
Grimwrath
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:32 pm
#17
Ah, ok. thanks a bunch. Maybe I should start harvesting the stuff myself (if just anyone can do this) and provide it to my local chef so that I can actually get my hands on my coveted drink. 
Question: Can you harvest milk from a creature while in combat?
Thanks again!
-Elderyth Pa'oza
Kettemoor
RaitaNaan
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:34 pm
#18
IME, people stopped making blue milk even before before that nerf. It just became passe, and people moved on to other things like canape, ahrisa, and entertainer buffs.
Grimwrath
Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:45 pm
#19
That stinks. I fully understand the value of buff foods, as I use them myself. But I simply don't understand why anyone would turn their nose up at the ability to heal your mind pool. It's saved my butt on several occassions.
Thanks for the replies.
- Elderyth Pa'oza
Kettemoor
Numen
Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:03 pm
#20
I believe it is very much a specialty drink. In most cases, there are better foods out there that will actually provide the same benefit as blue milk.
The milk ingrediant is definatly an issue though. The only think that might be worse to collect as a resource may be Tat Avian. Collecting milk you don't even get to kill anything. Not like killing nunas is a challenge on Tat, but at least its something.
sciguyCO
Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:34 pm
#21
You can try contacting the chefs whose vendors you checked, they may have either sold out, or maybe don't have the supplies.
The hard part is definitely gathering the milk. Anyone can milk a creature, but you have to either have your scent masked (ability gained in Scout Exporation 2) or be camoflauged. A ranger can apply a camo pack to any player (even if that playerdoesn't have scout or ranger), but if the camo breaks, you have to get the ranger to apply it again. There's a "gather milk" radial option on milkable creatures, and you have to stay within 10m or so for 25-30s to gather a stack of milk. Stack size is determined mainly by the size of the creature (you get a lot from Fambaa, Pickets, and Bolle Bols, not so much from ikopi), bonuses from harvesting skill mods or veghash don't help.
At one point, a player with scout abilities could "/harvest milk" on a corpse of a milkable creature. That was a bug that got fixed a few publishes back.
If you can find/buy/gather 5k or soof milk with high PE/OQ ("high" is relative, but 700+ would probably be preferred), you could probably work a deal with a chef to provide you with blue milk. Blue milk needs 250 units of milk per crate, but chefs prefer to do larger factory runs to reduce the "tissue wastage" you get every time you make a schematic. Each schematic burns up at least one BE tissue, which is almost always the most expensive part of the food. Personally, I'd probably be willing to offer a free crate of blue milk for every 2k-ish of milk a customer brings me. Unfortunately, I'm not on your server.
hamhamthe3rd
Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:59 am
#22
im not a chef so i dont really know how low the filling on that stuff can get. anyway, the stuff i came across has too much filling to be useful. its best to stick with brandy and a muon when you need it. the muon is like an instant heal but of course you need to wait out its downer. personally i like spiced tea for when im just doing small things and dont really want to "waste" a brandy. i wonder what will happen to blue milk and the like after the changes, when we arent all slaves to our mind bars.
BarakKuzar
Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:52 pm
#23
I've had a few people ask for this, but when I explain why it makes more sense to go with Vas Brandy, I've not had one person stick with the "I want blue milk" line. It's normally newer players that ask for blue milk, so the sample conversation below is not typical for the more savvy customer, but is very accurate to real conversations that I've had with people.
customer: Hello, do you sell blue milk?
me: no, it's not really a big seller. have you tried vas brandy?
customer: yeah, but I want to heal my mind while I'm out [fill in the blank -- surveying, fighting, dna sampling, etc.]
me: sure, you could heal your mind with blue milk, but then you've just used up some of your drink filling on a one-shot. Couple of gulps of blue milk and you can't drink any more. Then what do you do?
[wait for a bit....]
customer: what's vas brandy do again?
me: drink that and you've gotten the instant benefit of +400 to mind -- just like getting healed for +400. you also get the benefit of increased focus and willpower which means you'll spend less mind on actions and recover faster. And finally, it's not a one-shot deal, but rather it lasts for about 45 minutes.
[wait for a bit more while this sinks in....]
customer: kewl, that sounds better. you have a waypoint?
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I strive to carry a very wide variety of items in my stores, but I purposefully don't carry this. It's not a milk standpoint, but rather what is in the best interest of my customers. If someone could give mesome valid reasons why to carry this, then I would be interested to hear them.
But for now based on the one-shot nature, the quantity (less uses per item than brandy), the materials, the cost, and the associated filling of blue milk versus the duration, quantity, ease of massive material acquisition (fruits and berries),and multi-purpose benefits of brandy, it seems pretty clear cut which is better.
Dular
Wengel
Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:57 pm
#24
There's one thing people have forgotten about Blue Milk and Aitha versus Brandy.
That's the fact that Brandy has 50% fill... In pvp you're TOAST if you have let's say 40% drink fill available when you hit the actual fight. It's not enough to drink another brandy and "heal" yourself for 400 mind if you get into trouble.
The ability to heal your own mind with just sacrificing a little bit drinkfilling in PVP is very valueable. Cause it doesn't matter if you can't drink brandy in 15 minutes... cause you spend the filling on a Blue milk, if you're in a cloner does it? 
I make Aitha:
280 Mind Heal
13% Drinkfilling
12 Uses
I make Blue Milk:
659 Mind Heal
25% Drinkfilling
12 Uses
Our PVP players... expecially the melee stackers are very happy about this stuff, cause it often makes the difference between survival and cloning.
But for the regular PVE player, brandy reigns supreme.
Grimwrath
Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:37 am
#25
Thanks a bunch for the reply, guys. I think I'll take your advice and stick with brandy for the buff, and either another shot of brandy or muon gold for emergencies.
- Elderyth Pa'oza
Kettemoor
CasualMaker
Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:24 am
#26
hamhamthe3rd wrote:im not a chef so i dont really know how low the filling on that stuff can get. anyway, the stuff i came across has too much filling to be useful.
When filling is a serious issue, look into the Artisan foods. A BE-enhanced Aitha drink has about the Mind-heal of unenhanced Blue Milk, for about half the filling.
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