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MozzerKing wrote:

Most hunters would rather hunt Dath Carnivore meat for 25cpu than Herbivore/Avian meat for 150cpu because it's so much easier to gather large amounts of carnivore. That's the key.

Message Edited by MozzerKing on 08-25-2004 05:27 AM

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The problem I've seemed to run into is there isn't many people on Tempest that seem to want to harvest either.

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Zynix wrote:

I not sure what stats BEs need to make there additives but don't they need carnivore meat? That drops is HUGE amounts compared to avain and even herb meat.

Thats why docs pay so much because they need so much of it to last until the next good spawn. There is almost always a good spawn of meat for BEs to use.

I may be wrong on this and tell me if I am.

I am very close to taking up BE to see how hard it is to get enough meat for demand. I am sure I will be able to handle demand.

AnyBE's having an easy time to get the meat they need? I am sure there out there.

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For nutrition additives (which probably make up 99% of what chefs buy), any "creature food" can be used. This usually boils down to meat, since milk, seafood, or eggsare tough to get in large quantities. Any type of meat can be used. So while docs are snapping up avian meat at 100+ cpu (since that is specifically required for their components), BEs can take up wild, domesticated, insect, or carnivore. IIRC, The stat breakdown is 50% OQ, 30% PE, 20% Flavor. The percentages given in the tissue schematic are incorrect, but I think that's what the BEs have determined are the right numbers.

Still, it can be difficult finding a meat supplier. If Dath carni meat is crappy for a few spawns, the market tends to dry up. If you have skill points to spare, you may want to consider getting Hunting IV in scout (maybe even up to Ranger) and hunt your own.

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Zynix wrote:

Exactly what I was trying to say.

BE can use any good quality meat (wild, domesticated, insect, or carnivore said sciguyCO) to make there nutrition additives.

The reason doctors pay so much for avian meat is because it hardly EVER spawns good so they have to offer so much cpu so people go harvest these birds that give 5 to 20 avain meat a harvest and get a big enough stock pile to last till the next good spawn. Same thing with herbivor meat but that only runs around 35 to 75cpu. They are not always paying this price day after day. Only when a good spawn of avian or herb meat comes out. The rest of the time the meat market is yours.

BE almost ALWAYS have a spawn of meat that can be harvested for there additives. They need harvest IV in order to get novice BE so they can harvest good amounts. They also have enough skill points to get master tka or rifleman or fencer etc. You can easly go out and harvest for 3 hours and get a 20k stack of meat.

How much meat is needed to make 1 or 1,000 medium or heavy nutrition additives?

I don't see any reason why BEs can NOT have enough meat. Once they have buyers they can buy some meat and harvest tons of there own. Even have a friend or 2 come along and have them help kill and harvest the same bodies. Can get 40k to 60k meat in 3 hours.

I think writing this post just helped me made up my mind to get BE and get in the additives market.

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BE's can use any type of meat/milk/eggs/seafood....but when you think about how hard it is to harvest anything but herb/wild/carn meat....there really is only those 3 types.

domestic meat is only obtainable in large stacks from 3 planets...none of which ever seem to have anything good.
insect meat is almost as infuriating to gather as avian
avian meat...ummmmm see above
seafood/crustacean/milk/eggs...possibly the only thing more difficult to get in quantity than avian meat.


of the 3 types of meat...throw out naboo, tat, talus, and rori...its very difficult to mass harvest, and given the expectations of some chefs for cheap prices...those planets are pretty much out of reach. for lok, endor, yavin, dath, and dant...that would make 15 chances every 2-3 weeks. and to be serious...carnivore meat on endor, dath and dant...herb on dant...and wild on dath are the only serious cost effective meats to use...maybe insect on endor...

mission based harvesting is slooooooow...significantly slower than a true dedicated hunter in a good concentration of wild spawns. with dathomir about to become like dantooine is now (very sparse random wild spawns...)...the biggest pain isn't going to be that people aren't going to be harvesting meat anymore...its that the best way to get huge quantities of good meat (good spawn of dath carnivore meat) is going to take a huge hit...the spots where its not uncommon to see 4-8 lairs of enraged rancors relatively close together might not be there come publish 10...as the number of people on the dath servers increases significantly.

on the positive side...dantooine carnivore meat may become a lot easier to get since everyone and their brother will be on dath instead of dant.

as for BE's hunting for their own meat...you do realize most BE's like making pets a lot better than tissues right? and to do that they need explore I-IV....then if they do make tissues, they need some merchant..lets just leave it at novice merchant since that looks like it'd get the job done post pub 10. oh and a lot of them like to have some survey skills so they can harvest their own flora...so oh lets say survey II. add those in and they can't master any elite combat profession (and FYI swordsman is a lot faster at harvesting than TK or rifleman...especially when its not master vs. master)

on some servers meat isn't the problem...flora is. you only need 20k meat for a full run of either BSN's or INN's...but BSN's eat 60k in flora, and INN's eat 90k. getting into selling runs of tissues can completely erode several million in "uber" flora very quickly.

the problem with getting the meat quite often becomes getting one of the more reasonably priced types to come up with a good spawn. 40-60k per buff session is only possible killing 1 thing on 1 planet...ER's on dath. nothing else comes close in terms of quantity...but most of the time almost everything else is better in terms of quality. and that means the price is generally 2x what dath carnivore meat goes for.

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Sky remains in place.

We now return you to your normally scheduled Chef forum lineup of Brandy questions and pie throwing/equippable rolling pin requests.



Seriously, This is *never* going to become an issue, despite the fact some BEs and Chefs constantly fret and kvetch about meat availability and tissue pricing. You can bake a 83-84/113-114 tissue out of pretty mediocre meat and in-shift flora at pretty much any point in time. Show just a bit of discretion in meat quality and you hit the magic 85/115 number. sure, docs on my server are routinely paying 200 cpu for some avian meat or another... but which would you rather hunt: a whisper bird that drops 20 meat, whose mission offers no cash reward, or a rancor that pays 36k for the mission and drops 200 meat you can sell at 25 cpu? I'll give you a moment to do the math.

Fact is that docs have to pay 200 cpu in order to make it remotely worth someone's time to try to hunt up avian meat, while players are killing rancors pretty much nonstop anyway, so selling the meat is just bonus income to them, which combined with the high volume and availability of rancor meat keeps prices reasonale. wait for a decent spawn and buy at 10 cpu. You'll have no trouble putting together a stockpile large enough to last until rancor meat is actually good (at which point you may have to pay 20 or 25 cpu... hardly outrageous).

Other methods of collecting meat are also available... a one-night guild romp in rancor valley, for instance, can produce an abolutely astonishing yield.

Docs won't be able to pay prices like that forever. If they can, then chefs *should* be getting more for their Brandy.

Meat availability varies greatly from server to server, too.

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Dsabre wrote:

BE's can use any type of meat/milk/eggs/seafood....but when you think about how hard it is to harvest anything but herb/wild/carn meat....there really is only those 3 types.

domestic meat is only obtainable in large stacks from 3 planets...none of which ever seem to have anything good.
insect meat is almost as infuriating to gather as avian
avian meat...ummmmm see above
seafood/crustacean/milk/eggs...possibly the only thing more difficult to get in quantity than avian meat.


of the 3 types of meat...throw out naboo, tat, talus, and rori...its very difficult to mass harvest, and given the expectations of some chefs for cheap prices...those planets are pretty much out of reach. for lok, endor, yavin, dath, and dant...that would make 15 chances every 2-3 weeks. and to be serious...carnivore meat on endor, dath and dant...herb on dant...and wild on dath are the only serious cost effective meats to use...maybe insect on endor...

mission based harvesting is slooooooow...significantly slower than a true dedicated hunter in a good concentration of wild spawns. with dathomir about to become like dantooine is now (very sparse random wild spawns...)...the biggest pain isn't going to be that people aren't going to be harvesting meat anymore...its that the best way to get huge quantities of good meat (good spawn of dath carnivore meat) is going to take a huge hit...the spots where its not uncommon to see 4-8 lairs of enraged rancors relatively close together might not be there come publish 10...as the number of people on the dath servers increases significantly.

on the positive side...dantooine carnivore meat may become a lot easier to get since everyone and their brother will be on dath instead of dant.

as for BE's hunting for their own meat...you do realize most BE's like making pets a lot better than tissues right? and to do that they need explore I-IV....then if they do make tissues, they need some merchant..lets just leave it at novice merchant since that looks like it'd get the job done post pub 10. oh and a lot of them like to have some survey skills so they can harvest their own flora...so oh lets say survey II. add those in and they can't master any elite combat profession (and FYI swordsman is a lot faster at harvesting than TK or rifleman...especially when its not master vs. master)

on some servers meat isn't the problem...flora is. you only need 20k meat for a full run of either BSN's or INN's...but BSN's eat 60k in flora, and INN's eat 90k. getting into selling runs of tissues can completely erode several million in "uber" flora very quickly.

the problem with getting the meat quite often becomes getting one of the more reasonably priced types to come up with a good spawn. 40-60k per buff session is only possible killing 1 thing on 1 planet...ER's on dath. nothing else comes close in terms of quantity...but most of the time almost everything else is better in terms of quality. and that means the price is generally 2x what dath carnivore meat goes for.

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Well said.. I didn't look at those angles