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Thread: What are average prices on your server?
Numen
Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:52 pm
#14
Wow, I'm not sure if its a bad thing or a good thing I'm on the server I am.
Eerif
Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:00 pm
#15
Morganite wrote:
when you do prices like that, you are trying to loose money, or you have some super-cheap hunters. On ahazi, the chef's dont really see themselves in competition with each other, moreso we see it as there is more then enough buisness to go around. I look at it this way, I get enough buisness already without trying to steal anyone else's. Maybe thebig ahazi chef's all feel happy with their profit to work ratio involved in stocking their vendors without trying to hurt someone elses buisness?
If I steal his customers, then I have to work twice as many factories to keep up, and 18 is enough of a pain in the balls as it is! Call it laziness, whatever, but I get annoyed at times working factories for my own customers, let alone someone elses!
I feel exactly the same way. Sometimes I even promote the other chefs lol Great post
MTolwyn
Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:30 pm
#16
I ve been hunting a long time before i got chef. When i saw how cheap to make good food and saw the prices chefs charge on Bria at that time i felt ripped of.
when i see such prices
Mad Max Bivoli (+25 Wound Treatment, 3 Uses, 14 Minutes) - 250k a Crate
Mad Max Brandy (+427 Mind/Focus/Will,44 Minutes,49 Fill,18 Uses) - 200k a Crate
Mad Max Brandy (+427 Mind/Focus/Will,44 Minutes,49 Fill,18 Uses) - 200k a Crate
i see what s going wrong with economy and why there are so many people out withloads of money who don t have
to care for money anymore and pay astronomic sums for other stuff just to make prices even higher
i m a 12 point chef and sell
Vasarian Brady +425 , 43.5-44 min, 49Fill , 18 uses Crate of 5 for 25k and Crate of 25 for 115k
Bivoli +24.5, 3 Uses, 13 Min Crate of 5 for 20k
and there are even cheaper Chef s out there with same quality. WIth that prices i make more than enough money for a good living and i m upkeeping a city and guild also with the income.
SO stop whining and start to charge people fair prices !
Numen
Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:50 am
#17
I'm on a smaller server so the prices tend to be slightly lower. Nearly all my foods are 65-85k price and drinks are 100-150k due to casks. Food price is more dependent on which additive I use.
Some exceptions
Canape 105k
Bivoli 125k
Brandy 200k
Vercupti 125-200k depending on insect meat used
There are a few others but those are the big ones. If I couldn't keep it stocked I would raise prices(hence my price on canape though that was before people found out about ahrisa).
Bivoli price I determine more on buff prices right now than resource costs. If the average doc buff goes up I will raise my bivoli price. I do know I am on the low end of the prices on my server though. While there are cheaper chefs, there are definately more expensive ones.
KMad
Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:56 am
#18
i may be the most expensive chef on my server. my prices are set so that things won't sell before the next batch of tissues is ready. i do a full run of ahrisa about every 5 days or so, for example. i just can't stand having my vendors sell out of something.
bivoli 25/3 uses 16 minutes 250k
brandy +438 46 minute 49 fill 18 uses 275k
canapes +735 33 filling 275k
ahrisa +417 48-50 minutes33 fill 250k
i can't stand to make vercupti, when i do it's 50 filling, priced at 375k a crate, and sells out within days
Message Edited by KMad on 10-20-2004 01:07 PM
RaitaNaan
Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:20 am
#19
= when i see such prices
= Mad Max Bivoli (+25 Wound Treatment, 3 Uses, 14 Minutes) - 250k a Crate
= Mad Max Brandy (+427 Mind/Focus/Will, 44 Minutes, 49 Fill, 18 Uses) - 200k a Crate
= i see what s going wrong with economy and why there are so many people out with loads of money who don t have
= to care for money anymore and pay astronomic sums for other stuff just to make prices even higher
The prices quoted here aren't even from Bria, so they can't be compared meaninfully to Bria prices. Furthermore, pricing-out the competition isn't an exclusive tactic of people who charge high prices at the vendor. I regularly see the low-end people buying out stacks of resources for over 1 mil/stack or shelling out 20-30 million for a +8 skill tape. Guess the high-end people aren't the only people with piles of money screwing up the economy.
All in all, the playing field is NOT level. We pretty much have to find our own niche and be satisfied with what we are doing, rather than getting hung up on what someone else is doing. There are so many factors that play into the prices, it's not terribly meaningful to pull prices out of context and start comparing numerically. What about the location? The surrounding "magnet" vendors? What about whether the chef does all his own harvesting vs. pays for everything vs. something in between? What if the chef is just a chef vs. chef/hunter vs. chef/BE vs. chef/BE/hunter(multiple accounts required)? Is the chef service-oriented or price-oriented?
The fair comparisons simply are not there. Let's not even start on comparing hunters with chefs.
= Mad Max Bivoli (+25 Wound Treatment, 3 Uses, 14 Minutes) - 250k a Crate
= Mad Max Brandy (+427 Mind/Focus/Will, 44 Minutes, 49 Fill, 18 Uses) - 200k a Crate
= i see what s going wrong with economy and why there are so many people out with loads of money who don t have
= to care for money anymore and pay astronomic sums for other stuff just to make prices even higher
The prices quoted here aren't even from Bria, so they can't be compared meaninfully to Bria prices. Furthermore, pricing-out the competition isn't an exclusive tactic of people who charge high prices at the vendor. I regularly see the low-end people buying out stacks of resources for over 1 mil/stack or shelling out 20-30 million for a +8 skill tape. Guess the high-end people aren't the only people with piles of money screwing up the economy
.All in all, the playing field is NOT level. We pretty much have to find our own niche and be satisfied with what we are doing, rather than getting hung up on what someone else is doing. There are so many factors that play into the prices, it's not terribly meaningful to pull prices out of context and start comparing numerically. What about the location? The surrounding "magnet" vendors? What about whether the chef does all his own harvesting vs. pays for everything vs. something in between? What if the chef is just a chef vs. chef/hunter vs. chef/BE vs. chef/BE/hunter(multiple accounts required)? Is the chef service-oriented or price-oriented?
The fair comparisons simply are not there. Let's not even start on comparing hunters with chefs
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MTolwyn
Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:33 am
#20
TheEpigoni wrote:
Just so nobody is offended by the pricing of my stuff, wanted to give everyone a layout of my costs.
Bivoli:
Additive:
90000 Fruits (20 cpu, this is a cheap price that I got it for, I've seen it sell for 40) - 1.8 Mill
20000 Meat(80 cpu,a bit expensive, but I like to keep my hunters happy, and away from jantas and mokks) - 1.6 Mill
40000 Veggies (15cpu, Decent price for top quality veggies) - 600k
30000 Meat (50 cpu, Decent price for pretty good meat) - 1.5 Mil
That comes out to 5.5 Million for the whole run. Divided by 39 crates (1 crate used for experimentation to get all amazings)
141k a Crate. Less than double profit, for about 5 or 6 days worth of work. For making the additives, getting the resources, getting the schematics, doing all the item transfering, etc etc etc. And this is all just so I can provide my customers with the best for a very decent price.
I have actually gotten a few compliments on my pricing...
Just wanted to make sure everyone knew what pricing was like on this server for components/resources before judging the pricing of the item =).
Message Edited by TheEpigoni on 10-21-2004 12:51 AM
hm let me think about my expenses:
Bivoli:
Additive:
90000 Fruits about 2 cpu for power and harvesterupkeepi dont buy ihave my own miners- 180k
20000 Meat 20 cpuat maxor i take my second char or guild to hunt it down -400k
40000 Veggies once again 2cpu- 80k
30000 Meat 20 cpuat maxor i take my second char or guild to hunt it down -600k
180k+400k+80k+600k=> 1.260k + 5% other expenses (storage, vendor, traveling)= 1.386k
split up to 39 crate would make about 36k per crate and that s calculated very pesimistic, usually it s cheaper for me
so even when i cut my prices another 50% i ll still make profit with selling it!
Okin_Sin
Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:18 am
#21
Why is it people can't make an argument without being so extremem its out of context? Like the person who is posting Brias chef Vendors at 250k for Bivoli? Maybe 6 months ago, I would be willing to bet the average price of Bivoli now is 150k at most, and almost all the Chefs that spam the boards sell for under 100k.
Then the guy who shows his costs, points out the most extreme costs for making his stuff, then the next guy changes all the prices to the low extreme .... come on now people be reasonable.
TheEpigoni wrote:
Bivoli:
Additive:
90000 Fruits (20 cpu, this is a cheap price that I got it for, I've seen it sell for 40) - 1.8 Mill
20000 Meat(80 cpu,a bit expensive, but I like to keep my hunters happy, and away from jantas and mokks) - 1.6 Mill
40000 Veggies (15cpu, Decent price for top quality veggies) - 600k
30000 Meat (50 cpu, Decent price for pretty good meat) - 1.5 Mil
Well if this is really what you are always paying, you are paying way way to much. 80 c/u for meat for additives is extreme, I know some servers are really expensive though. I know everyone has to buy resources at times, but if you actually are buying all this stuff at these prices, you are paying way to much. I strongly suggest that you start harvesting some stuff, becuase you can make your food for 1/4 this price easily if you try.
MTolwyn wrote:
hm let me think about my expenses:
Bivoli:
Additive:
90000 Fruits about 2 cpu for power and harvesterupkeepi dont buy ihave my own miners- 180k
20000 Meat 20 cpuat maxor i take my second char or guild to hunt it down -400k
40000 Veggies once again 2cpu- 80k
30000 Meat 20 cpuat maxor i take my second char or guild to hunt it down -600k
Again come on 20 c/u max is a bit extreme also. Maybe if you harvest everything yourself you can hit your price range, but its been a long time since ive seen the type of Carn meat i use in my bivoli, and I don't see anyone selling it for 20 c/u max. The carn meat I useis usually above 20 c/u MIN when its auctioned. Actually when Igitsojo was a current carn meat from Rancors, it was selling for 22 c/u and that was current. The day after it was not current, it was 30 c/u, and that isn't even good meat for Bivoli, just good for additives. Also many times you don't have a stock of every possible resource, and you have to buy some, and they cost a lot more the 2 c/u for great stuff. If you have fruits good enough to make descent additives, you could be selling them for a LOT more the 2 c/u.
MTolwyn wrote:
i m a 12 point chef and sell
Vasarian Brady +425 , 43.5-44 min, 49Fill , 18 uses Crate of 5 for 25k and Crate of 25 for 115k
Bivoli +24.5, 3 Uses, 13 Min Crate of 5 for 20k
That is the one saving grace of all these new cheaper chefs, the quality is never on par
MTolwyn
Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 am
#22
Okin_Sin wrote:
That is the one saving grace of all these new cheaper chefs, the quality is never on par
maybe but who pays 100-200% more money for 1-2 % more effect?
Higginsis
Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:06 am
#23
Alot of people i find actually. Thats why people by my +427 stuff, 400 would do, but they need the best so they pay for it. Even tho i only charge 175k a crate of 25 for it, which is only 25k above the norm for brandy.
Okin_Sin
Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:42 am
#24
MTolwyn wrote:
Okin_Sin wrote:
That is the one saving grace of all these new cheaper chefs, the quality is never on par
maybe but who pays 100-200% more money for 1-2 % more effect?
100-200% more? Where do you get your numbers from?
My brandy is 430 46m30s 18Uses 50 fill - 175k per crate
My bivoli is 25 for 15m30s 3Uses 28 fill - 150k per crate
My prices are nowhere near 100-200% of yours, I havn't seen anyone in months on Bria charging anywhere near the prices your coming up with. I actually think my stuff is more then 1-2% better effect also
TheEpigoni
Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:44 am
#25
A Few things to note.
1) The flora situation for BE stuff on my server is very simple. There's one flora that everyone uses to get 88 additives. That's it. There's no other choice =). And since I wasn't around when it spawned, I couldn't harvest any.
2) 80cpu for high quality 88 additive meat is not extreme on starsider. When I offered this price, I had one phrase in mind. "He (the hunter) won't harvest anything except this avian meat unless you offer him 80 cpu." That's what I was told by a friend, that's what I was told by the hunter, etc etc. The problem with our server is that there are alot of competing docs which make meat prices skyrocket. Dantooine Herb! The single easiest organic herb meat to collect, went for 60cpu. Now if you're a hunter on my server you have a choice. You can get Naboo Avian for 260cpu, you can get Dant Herb for 60cpu (no limit on either of these). Or you can help some stupid chef who's paying you 80cpu, for only 40k of some random meat on Endor, and this is taking into consideration that I had to offer 80cpu for him to even consider it. It's a pretty big problem on my server =(.
3) I don't have a hunter and I don't have a BE. Most of the BEs on my server are not capable of providing a consistant stock of 87/88 additives so I'm forced to get my own resources and then once again pay for schematics.
4) Although harvesting the resources costs .333 cpu. It still doesn't change the fact that you could instead sell the resources at Xcpu price. So you are in fact "paying" for them.
Also Note: The last Dath Carn (Rancors), which wasn't even that great. Went for 35cpu.
Okin_Sin
Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:53 am
#26
TheEpigoni, im not saying those aren't the prices that you are paying. If you are making 88 additives regularly, that is probably why it costs so much, those are damn nice additives. I know on Bria you can get 87's easily, but the price to hit 88's jumps a huge amount.
Those prices might not be "extreme" to you, or for your server, but I think they are "extreme" when comparing to what Chef's as a whole pay for additives.
I know some people pay a lot more, and some a lot less. The point was that first you posted cost that are defenetly on the High end of costs, and followed by something that was defenetly on the Low end of costs, when the reality is most Chefs are somewhere in the middle. Those numbers, while they may be true for asome people, they are not the norm.