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Thread: Robbed on Parawan Cake sigh....
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Frag98
Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:30 am
#1
I will be posting this warning on BH and combat template forums, I bought some parawan Nutricake with +117/+46% stats....I know your all rolling on the floor laughing already. Paid alot of money for the stuff a couple crates of it.
So....if the stuff your buying is < 90% recovery bonus don't touch itwalk away and never buy from that chef again. 46% Recovery is useless for this stuff might as well wait for regular burst run timer. 90% will let you run consecutively 46% well thats just sad...
sciguyCO
Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:46 am
#2
To be fair, it's possible the chef wasn't aware of how Parwan needs to be tweaked, and just went for the "put in BSN, max out nutrition then rest of experimentation points in flavor" that works so well with most of our foods. You might try letting him know what you need rather than "never buy from that chef again".
And hate to heap on even more bad news, but HAM reduction above 90 doesn't do anything. That stat is also a percentage reduction, and from some testing I did you are capped at spending at least 10% of your normal burst run HAM cost.
Using this cake still saves you 5m or so of "tired" time. Normal burst run is 1 minute of high speed + 9 minutes tired (can't burst run). The "burst run efficiency" modfrom Scout's Exploration branch might change those numbers (or it might just effect HAM cost). The 46% recovery bonus is calculated from the 10m total, so your total "burst + tired" time is going to be 5m24s, 1m of that at burst speed.
Message Edited by sciguyCO on 12-16-2004 12:46 AM
Ikooga
Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:00 am
#3
Most people want Parwan to burst run two or three times in a row.
If thats your goal than anything below 90% is useless.
But it still works, its not broken like Havla <100 for example.
As Sciguy said, the 46% parwan shortens the time you're tired by 4:36 minutes or so. But you're still tired for another 4:24 minutes ( usually its 9 minutes)
But usually most people don't care if its 4 or 9 minutes, if its not instant its useless for them.
But I agree with sciguy, let the chef know he did a mistake, not everyone is reading these forums and knows about the specialty of parwan (that it needs a Flavour additive, which are hard to get and expensive (they need milk to make)).
If thats your goal than anything below 90% is useless.
But it still works, its not broken like Havla <100 for example.
As Sciguy said, the 46% parwan shortens the time you're tired by 4:36 minutes or so. But you're still tired for another 4:24 minutes ( usually its 9 minutes)
But usually most people don't care if its 4 or 9 minutes, if its not instant its useless for them.
But I agree with sciguy, let the chef know he did a mistake, not everyone is reading these forums and knows about the specialty of parwan (that it needs a Flavour additive, which are hard to get and expensive (they need milk to make)).
CaraAnam
Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:26 am
#4
also give the chef a break....i mean when i first started making the stuff i didnt' know about the need for the 90% or greater.....so....i would have no idea about the requirements of the food so to speak...and would never learn from my mistake....why does everyone thing...that everyone in SWG is out to get them? lol 
wow i dont know if this post makes sense i am rather sleepy atm 
it just seems unfair to bash someone without seeing if they knew that what they were doing was wrong....they may have thought they were making a KICKBUM food porduct lol
wow i dont know if this post makes sense i am rather sleepy atm it just seems unfair to bash someone without seeing if they knew that what they were doing was wrong....they may have thought they were making a KICKBUM food porduct lol
Higginsis
Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:01 am
#5
I have to say its most likely a honest mistake, how many chefs really even know about the different types of adds?
Most ones who don't have a BE haven't the knowledge to know that it needs flavor adds, not nutrition.
Most ones who don't have a BE haven't the knowledge to know that it needs flavor adds, not nutrition.
CaraAnam
Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:29 am
#6
tis sad but true
i have been chef for a while and tbh i am still trying to figure out how certian foods work and blah blah....without the forums i would still be completely clueless........
Frag98
Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:36 am
#7
Sorry guys it was a long and frustrating night of chasing forcerunning Jedi I will contact the chef and see if he will take this stuff back. I was chasing a Padi last night and hit the parawan cake...then went to hit second one....well he just blew me away like he was Carl Lewis hehe....and I got the too tired message
I will contact the chef and see if he will take this stuff back. I was chasing a Padi last night and hit the parawan cake...then went to hit second one....well he just blew me away like he was Carl Lewis hehe....and I got the too tired messageTo be honest till I searched your forums about it I wasn't sure what happened either. Parwan cake is hard to find on Valcyn and I must have got real lucky to get the 90+ stuff I bought the first time.
I bought 2 crates at over 100k ....pricey stuff so it was more then a little irratating.
It was a over the top to say don't buy from that chef anymore, seems the customers have to research the effects of foods as much as chefs do.....
Thanks for all the info!
sciguyCO
Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:49 am
#8
MaliaMing wrote:
So, on parwan, we're supposed to be shooting for 90% and leaving it at that and anything under is useless? Or is anything under just less effective, but still useable? I've only made a couple crates of the stuff for a special order, but I'm pretty sure I split the experimentation sort of half and half because I didn't know what I was looking for.
"Useless" can be interpreted a couple of ways.On Havla, for example, anything under 100 is truly "useless", since with that it gives you no speedup to heal recovery (due to a bug). For Parwan, anything under 90% may be considered "useless" by a customer, since that's the point required for back-to-back burst runs. However, sub-90 recovery does still work.
Using experimentation points in Flavor once you break 90% recovery is a waste of points, since even though you get the "you are no longer tired" earlier, the player who ate the Parwan is still burst running, and trying to burst again doesn't give them any benefit. Using experimentation in Nutrition beyond 90% HAM reduction is also a waste, since HAM cost for burst appears to be hard-capped at 10% of the unbuffed cost.
The "best" setup for Parwan appears to be 90% Recovery bonus and 25 filling. HAM costs are usually negligable, since the players using this tend to be doc-buffed with high strength and quickness anyway. The 25 filling allows a player to use parwan four times in a row, and still tack on a normal burst run, getting them 5m of burst speed (4 from Parwan + 1 normal burst), followed by the normal 9m tired period.
MaliaMing
Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:23 pm
#9
So, on parwan, we're supposed to be shooting for 90% and leaving it at that and anything under is useless? Or is anything under just less effective, but still useable? I've only made a couple crates of the stuff for a special order, but I'm pretty sure I split the experimentation sort of half and half because I didn't know what I was looking for.
Numen
Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:53 am
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Frag98 wrote:
To be honest till I searched your forums about it I wasn't sure what happened either. Parwan cake is hard to find on Valcyn and I must have got real lucky to get the 90+ stuff I bought the first time.
Just FYI, the nutrition additives require milk. This is most likely why it is so hard to find.
MijelRiak
Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:08 pm
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We are currently looking into the problem, and are looking to have it resolved shortly 
Frag98 - I'm dissapointed, you didnt even seem to notice the quote: "it was a long and frustrating night of chasing forcerunning Jedi" that I put in the reply e-mail
any other foods besides Havla, and Parawan that have these little secret catches to them?
sciguyCO
Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:12 pm
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MijelRiak wrote:
any other foods besides Havla, and Parawan that have these little secret catches to them?
Some are listed here:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=chef&message.id=46651
Besides Havla and Parwan, Smuggler's delight doesn't work if the downer recovery bonus gets above 100.
I've been meaning to do a "sticky revamp" for a couple months, and one of the included sections is going to be these little quirks. I've got an extended vacation between Christmas and New Years, I'll aim for getting it done then.
Message Edited by sciguyCO on 12-17-2004 03:14 PM
Ikooga
Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:25 am
#13
Actually Smuggler's Delight doesn't work with 100 and above. (Importand difference, 99% works perfectly, 100% and more not at all)
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