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Thread: Food stacking 101 its about time it comes out
What do you mean "about time it comes out"? Is there a link to a Dev post explaining food stacking that we need to be aware of?
Not trying to be rude but we pretty much all know that regen stats cap at 250 but still only stack in a certain order.
There are guides all over the place, here is the one that I put together. It's also good that you are making your own, but we've been told that we are getting a friday feature, that is going to explain stat stacking in detail from the devs. Until that happens, nobody really knows how stat stacking works.
Coming to the chef forum, calling us all greedy scammers wasn't the wisest idea. Do some research and use the search function and you may learn a bit more.
You can't answer the question, what are the best foods to take, because the game isn't pre-CU anymore. People have choices, people have options. Believe it or not, there are a dozen different combinations of stat stacking with just chef foods alone. The question is now asked by the chef to the consumer, and that is What do you want that will make your profession or template better?
You bought Garrmorl and Vercupti, even though no Chef in these forums told you that they would stack, and as a result all Chefs are greedy and hiding things from you.
nosfeast007 wrote: This is the worst place to ask this question becouse chef's are greedy and won't tell even if they know ( and they do know ) becouse they want you to speed credits to figure it out yourself. Like I just did I bought garrmorl and vercupti thinking well these will stack but they dont. That's why you dont see single stacks sold much anymore either. It pretty much comes down to if a food and/or drink have 2 or 3 mods the same it wont stack.
So once again, we are all a bunch of greedy secretive lying trolls.....kind of like the Keebler Elves.
nosfeast007 wrote: No chef is gonna tell you that even though they pretty much all now what the combos are. They are greedy and want you to buy creates and creates of food to test this yourself. That's why you dont see hardly any chef selling single stacks anymore they want you to buy a whole crate of it to test to make more money.
Then, when some Chefs attempt to ask you about which template you want a combo for, you proceed to inform us that the entire combat community eats the exact same thing, and that because of our deception you are now going to attempt to grind a Chef alt and flood the market with cheap food to get back at us.
nosfeast007 wrote:
First off either you people are really dumb or think we are really dumb. It dont matter if you are melee or ranged when it comes to health and the regen rates. We are already smart enough to know what other foods stack other then the foods that give stats and regen. I dont care about the price of the food becouse its pretty much been same same now and befor CU. And even when doc's could buff I still payed alot for foods that I needed. But back then it was whatever you could eat until you got filled up. And as far as the comment goes about not selling stacks of food thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard you can have a crate vender and a single stack vender and you still would meet everyones needs. That is why im making a chef and sorry to every other chef on ahazi and theese chef's now but I will sell single stacks and I am gonna sell my foods at only 1 credit more then I pay for resouces. There is no sence in eveyone keeping this a secret and making us pay so much for food that will not stack wit eacth other. Im not saying all chef's are bad becouse most are cool but alot of crafters these days need to wake up. Same with you loot horders so many people want so much for common items it's nuts. Flame me all you want but im only getting flamed for the truth im speaking.
nosfeast007 wrote: Well you people ( chef's ) know what food's sell the best and that would mean these are the one's that stack. One post says we dont know becouse we dont use them I refuse to say that no chef's have alts that use the food they make. Another post says it depends on if you are melee or ranged and this has nothing at all to do with action health and mind stats becouse we all still want the best that gives all 3 and very few foods stack to do this. And yet another post says we dont know becouse it changes in every pub. I don't know if this is true or not and im not gonna "say" that it don't happen. Im not saying that all chef's are bad im saying that at least a few a few of you know what we wanna know and just are not saying. I love chef's and I love the food's that they make I don't blame the chef's I blame the dev's but if you know what we wanna know ( we being so many people in the commuity that buy's the food you make ) then by all mean's say so. Either way within a week's time im gonna know and post it on here for everyone eles to know as I am making a chef myself as we speak.
We are back to the "Chefs are greedy liars" thing again, only this time you are going to tell us in a week what foods stack and dont stack.
nosfeast007 wrote:
LOL hey look at this all you flamers a chef who really know's what he is doing and aint scared to share the info like you all are. Have fun at least now everyone will know what is stacking and what they will need for whatever they are. http://www.swgcraft.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9103 Boom look's like it all got out after all.
Then you start doing research, and you posta link which you say proves that we are all scared greedy liars who keep secretive info in the Bat Cave. Unfortunately, for all involved, it turns out that the food stacking guide that you found at that link was for PRE-CU FOOD. When this was pointed out, no apology was forthcoming from you.
So this brings us to your post today.
First off, I honestly would be elated if someone out there went to the trouble to go through all 40+ of our recipes and figure out what stacked and what doesnt. We have40+ recipes, each of which can be made with any one of four different additives for very different results. We are the one of the only crafting professions where it is actually difficult to impossible to cap out our stats. The food characteristics from one Chef to another can vary widely. Some Chefs build food for low fill, while other use flavor additives almost exclusively. Every single one of our foods was changed in the CU, and do you know how much really usefulinfo we have received about them from the Devs?
Nada. None.
On top of that, add in the fact that we can not even SEE the values on our secondary stats anymore. Sure, you can take two foods at once as long as they dont buff a regen stat over +250, but does this mean you are actually buffing that stat 250? There is no way to tell with any certainty, since we cant see the values of the action and mind bars anymore, let alone the health regen bar which is entirely a mystery.
So we end up discovering certain combos that you can take together, but we do not necessarily know every combo out there. As one of the above posters mentioned, there have been other posts in this forum about food combos that work. We do have SOME idea, we just dont have anything conclusive yet. Everything we have as of this moment is 90% speculation based on observation. We are not hiding anything, we just simply dont have all the answers yet. On top of that, the CU saw a great many crafters giving up their businesses and moving on to other games or other templates. I am included in those. That means that there are still a lot of long term crafters, but not as many as there were pre-CU. Hopefully this will change with increased love for the crafting professions from the devs, as the crafting model in SWG is one of the most inventive and original of any game I have played.
Please realize that our goal, yours and ours, is really the same. We WANT to know these answers. We really do. If we know what doesnt work, we can start asking for changes and fixes. We know some things, but there is a lot we are still uncertain about. We dont want to fight with you nofeast007, and we really do value the fact that you are trying to help add information for the community. But please understand that if you come into our house and hit us with both barrels right in the chest without any justification whatsoever, the response to your findings may be less than warm.
I wish you luck with your new Chef business, and I look forward to hearing any more info about stacking that you manage to uncover. 
Message Edited by ChefVomit on 09-01-2005 07:59 PM
ChefVomit wrote:
Ok "nosfeast007", here is why you may not get that great of a reception from this forum: Here are4 of your postsfrom the last few weeksin the Chef forums. I did not edit these in any way shape or form:
You bought Garrmorl and Vercupti, even though no Chef in these forums told you that they would stack, and as a result all Chefs are greedy and hiding things from you.
nosfeast007 wrote: This is the worst place to ask this question becouse chef's are greedy and won't tell even if they know ( and they do know ) becouse they want you to speed credits to figure it out yourself. Like I just did I bought garrmorl and vercupti thinking well these will stack but they dont. That's why you dont see single stacks sold much anymore either. It pretty much comes down to if a food and/or drink have 2 or 3 mods the same it wont stack.
So once again, we are all a bunch of greedy secretive lying trolls.....kind of like the Keebler Elves.
nosfeast007 wrote: No chef is gonna tell you that even though they pretty much all now what the combos are. They are greedy and want you to buy creates and creates of food to test this yourself. That's why you dont see hardly any chef selling single stacks anymore they want you to buy a whole crate of it to test to make more money.
Then, when some Chefs attempt to ask you about which template you want a combo for, you proceed to inform us that the entire combat community eats the exact same thing, and that because of our deception you are now going to attempt to grind a Chef alt and flood the market with cheap food to get back at us.
nosfeast007 wrote:
First off either you people are really dumb or think we are really dumb. It dont matter if you are melee or ranged when it comes to health and the regen rates. We are already smart enough to know what other foods stack other then the foods that give stats and regen. I dont care about the price of the food becouse its pretty much been same same now and befor CU. And even when doc's could buff I still payed alot for foods that I needed. But back then it was whatever you could eat until you got filled up. And as far as the comment goes about not selling stacks of food thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard you can have a crate vender and a single stack vender and you still would meet everyones needs. That is why im making a chef and sorry to every other chef on ahazi and theese chef's now but I will sell single stacks and I am gonna sell my foods at only 1 credit more then I pay for resouces. There is no sence in eveyone keeping this a secret and making us pay so much for food that will not stack wit eacth other. Im not saying all chef's are bad becouse most are cool but alot of crafters these days need to wake up. Same with you loot horders so many people want so much for common items it's nuts. Flame me all you want but im only getting flamed for the truth im speaking.
nosfeast007 wrote: Well you people ( chef's ) know what food's sell the best and that would mean these are the one's that stack. One post says we dont know becouse we dont use them I refuse to say that no chef's have alts that use the food they make. Another post says it depends on if you are melee or ranged and this has nothing at all to do with action health and mind stats becouse we all still want the best that gives all 3 and very few foods stack to do this. And yet another post says we dont know becouse it changes in every pub. I don't know if this is true or not and im not gonna "say" that it don't happen. Im not saying that all chef's are bad im saying that at least a few a few of you know what we wanna know and just are not saying. I love chef's and I love the food's that they make I don't blame the chef's I blame the dev's but if you know what we wanna know ( we being so many people in the commuity that buy's the food you make ) then by all mean's say so. Either way within a week's time im gonna know and post it on here for everyone eles to know as I am making a chef myself as we speak.
We are back to the "Chefs are greedy liars" thing again, only this time you are going to tell us in a week what foods stack and dont stack.
nosfeast007 wrote:
LOL hey look at this all you flamers a chef who really know's what he is doing and aint scared to share the info like you all are. Have fun at least now everyone will know what is stacking and what they will need for whatever they are. http://www.swgcraft.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9103 Boom look's like it all got out after all.
Then you start doing research, and you posta link which you say proves that we are all scared greedy liars who keep secretive info in the Bat Cave. Unfortunately, for all involved, it turns out that the food stacking guide that you found at that link was for PRE-CU FOOD. When this was pointed out, no apology was forthcoming from you.
So this brings us to your post today.
First off, I honestly would be elated if someone out there went to the trouble to go through all 40+ of our recipes and figure out what stacked and what doesnt. We have40+ recipes, each of which can be made with any one of four different additives for very different results. We are the one of the only crafting professions where it is actually difficult to impossible to cap out our stats. The food characteristics from one Chef to another can vary widely. Some Chefs build food for low fill, while other use flavor additives almost exclusively. Every single one of our foods was changed in the CU, and do you know how much really usefulinfo we have received about them from the Devs?
Nada. None.
On top of that, add in the fact that we can not even SEE the values on our secondary stats anymore. Sure, you can take two foods at once as long as they dont buff a regen stat over +250, but does this mean you are actually buffing that stat 250? There is no way to tell with any certainty, since we cant see the values of the action and mind bars anymore, let alone the health regen bar which is entirely a mystery.
So we end up discovering certain combos that you can take together, but we do not necessarily know every combo out there. As one of the above posters mentioned, there have been other posts in this forum about food combos that work. We do have SOME idea, we just dont have anything conclusive yet. Everything we have as of this moment is 90% speculation based on observation. We are not hiding anything, we just simply dont have all the answers yet. On top of that, the CU saw a great many crafters giving up their businesses and moving on to other games or other templates. I am included in those. That means that there are still a lot of long term crafters, but not as many as there were pre-CU. Hopefully this will change with increased love for the crafting professions from the devs, as the crafting model in SWG is one of the most inventive and original of any game I have played.
Please realize that our goal, yours and ours, is really the same. We WANT to know these answers. We really do. If we know what doesnt work, we can start asking for changes and fixes. We know some things, but there is a lot we are still uncertain about. We dont want to fight with you nofeast007, and we really do value the fact that you are trying to help add information for the community. But please understand that if you come into our house and hit us with both barrels right in the chest without any justification whatsoever, the response to your findings may be less than warm.
I wish you luck with your new Chef business, and I look forward to hearing any more info about stacking that you manage to uncover.
Message Edited by ChefVomit on 09-01-2005 07:59 PM
QFE. Your previous tactics were unwise if you were expecting some kind of support...
I am just speechless.
I guess I should have known better than to try and reason with you. If you ever get around to actually READING my post, I hope you take something away from it.
In the meantime I will simply repeat what I said in my other post: Good luck with your Chef business, and I hope to hear any new findings that you have.
nosfeast007 wrote:
First off i could care less how wise it was to call you chef's out and say you are greedy becouse that's just what you are and now you are all amd becouse I now put it into perspective and all of these foods work by the way. And if you all are getting this mad over something this dumb then you people really need to wake up and get a life seriously. Also if you check that link that I made most of them food combo's also still work but dont give the same stats. If you really dont know that much about your professions then you dont need to be a chef and if you are all getting this mad over something this dumb then really you dont need to play MMORPG's too many people are taking stuff like this too seriouss its not a life people we are all here to have fun. And if the chef profession is really this messed up then it needs to be taken care of gotten rid of or put back to the way it was. Chef's can simply be taken off by letting doc's and entertainers have new buffs. Not that i wanna see this happen becouse i love the food that I eat in this game and I use enough of it to know what stacks now and what dont. If you are not smart enough to see that BOH and Canape work togather then that's your problem. Also not one person has ever asked what are all the food combo's what do they do and how do they stack. Only thing anyone really wanted to know was what was the best foods for a combat profession and you people knew what they was and simply just said we dont know. Now I put them up and you people are saying that I am wrong? At least I took the time to try and help these people out that needed answers and gave them what they wanted to know for the most part. All i have heard out of chef's is we dont know and flames when people put the right things up. And that is enough for me to say that you chef's on this forum are greedy it proves itself time and time again. I dont want suppost I could care less who likes it or dont but befor these no one said anything but we dont know. Now I might be hated but you all know who i am and I got alot more out of you people then I dont know. And once again BTW THESE FOODS WORK. You flame I flame I dont care but it seems that if the glove fits..............
When you have tested all foods and drinks that can be crafted...please come back and post your findings. It seems that you rely on a certain amount of foods that work, then you come here and tell everyone how bad Chef's we are. Please, I beg you, go Master Chef. Then we will see your genious that these forums are lacking....
I had to make a couple of highlights from your statements above::
...Also if you check that link that I made most of them food combo's also still work but dont give the same stats - You have tested all these foods at this link? If so please bless us with your genious and let all the greedy Chefs in these forums know.
Ok nofeast007 I just want to explain something with no flaming.
You are absolutely right, there is a 250 cap on regen stats but unfortunately you cant now just eat foods till you hit the cap. If you eat a food that gives say +200 Mind Regen then try to eat a food that gives +50 MR you will get a system message saying "That stat is already buffed" and you cant add the lower stat to hit the cap.
If you eat the +50 food first then you are able to eat the +200, but it APPEARS to overbuff not stack - so you just end up with +200 not the cap of 250. This is more obvious when you are using regen stats of say +100 and +150 - they dont stack they overbuff, but we cant prove that because the stats are invisible.
There was a period recently (between pub 20 and 21 I believe) when the rules changed again and you could stack stats up to the cap but it looks now like we are back to the "overbuff" scenario.
Until we get some definative answers from the devs we just do not know how it's supposed to work, never mind if it is working as intended. This is a very emotive issue for chef's, that even the devs wont tell us how our products are supposed to work and we cant test for ourselves because all the player stats except health are hidden now.
When you come to this forum and flame chefs because they do not know the answer to a question that they have been trying to get an answer from the devs on, you are bound to upset people, myself included. I hope I have given a reasonable enough explaination as towhy chefs just cannot answer simple questions like "what foods stack now?", it is because the rules have changed twice since CU and we have no way of checking what is happening to a players stats when they take regen foods.
I hope you enjoy your new career in game as a chef, you will find it challenging and rewarding but also sometimes very frustrating.