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Kitty_Muzzle
Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:24 pm
#1
Someone came to me making the claim that Smuggler's Delight would let you take spice 8 seconds after one another.
I ask him what was the stats on the Smuggler's Delight allowing him to do that, and he reported them back to me as 15 fill 96% reduction.
The lowest fill Smuggler's Delight I could make was 21 fill with 91% reduction. Trying to take multiple spice with this I only got the "You are already under the influence of a spice" message.
So my queston is.. was this guy full of it? Even if I was able to make 15 fill 96% smugglers delight would it be able to take multiple spices at the same time?
I ask him what was the stats on the Smuggler's Delight allowing him to do that, and he reported them back to me as 15 fill 96% reduction.
The lowest fill Smuggler's Delight I could make was 21 fill with 91% reduction. Trying to take multiple spice with this I only got the "You are already under the influence of a spice" message.
So my queston is.. was this guy full of it? Even if I was able to make 15 fill 96% smugglers delight would it be able to take multiple spices at the same time?
Kitty_Muzzle
Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:35 pm
#2
This is my conversation with him.. incase I wasn't following him correctly.
http://www.kittah.org/delight.gif
http://www.kittah.org/delight.gif
sciguyCO
Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:39 pm
#3
Smuggler's delight doesn't do anything about the spice's "upper" (the period where it gives the stat buffs). It does reduce the duration of the "downer" (where the character get's stat negatives and is puking).
You can only be under the effect of one spice at a time, regardless of smuggler's delight. I'm not sure if you can normally take a spice during the downer of another, which would get modified by smuggler's delight.
So a normal Muon Gold goes like this:
Time 0s: Take Spice
Time 0s to 600s: Muon "upper", +500 M/F/W (definitely cannot take a second spice dose)
Time 600s to 800s: Muon "downer", -500 M/F/W (probably can't take a second spice).
Time 800s+: Normal stats, can take another dose of spice.
But, if you first eat a 91% Smuggler's delight, it goes like this:
Time 0s: Take Spice
Time 0s to 600s: Muon "upper", +500 M/F/W (definitely cannot take a second spice dose)
Time 600s to 618s: Muon "downer", -500 M/F/W (probably can't take a second spice).
Time 618s+: Normal stats, can take another dose of spice.
The normal Muon downer is 200s, so a 96% reduction would reduce the downer to 8s, allowing you to take a second dose 8s after the first wears off, which may have been what the other person meant.
**edit** Corrected Muon duration.
And based off your second post, he was talking about taking spices one after another, not stacking multiple ones. With a 10m Muon duration, if you can get the filling to 22ish, the Delight will have digested when the spice wears off.
This might be something people would look for, but I see a couple of problems with it. First, Smuggler's delight needs a boat-load of milk for a decent factory run. Second, I don't think you can get the quantity higher than 1. Third, to get these really short downers, you need to use INNs, so they're goign to be expensive. I don't PvP, so those may not really be problems for the customer. /shrug.
Message Edited by sciguyCO on 08-16-2004 02:46 PM
ChefVomit
Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:10 pm
#4
The best Smugglers Delight that can be made is 99% reduction. This is what I make, and I have found that there is a market for it, since there is basically a 2 second delay between the time you can take another spice. The problem is exactly what Kriles said: Price. Milk is not hard to get, but it takes time. And the Intelligent Nanonutrients needed are not cheap.
If you are a Master Chef and a Master BE, AND you have guildies who can bring you good meat and a good deal of milk, then you can make this fairly cheaply. If you dont have Master BE, then the cost to produce this stuff will be prohibitive when it comes to selling it for a decent markup.
Everything else was already very well put by Kriles. Just remember, 99% is the cap. Do not produce anything better than that because it WILL NOT work. 100% and higher SD is bugged at the moment.
Kitty_Muzzle
Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:14 pm
#5
Would I need a 22 fill 96% Smugglers Delight, to make it so the filling would be out of your stomach before the Moun would wear?
ChefVomit
Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:22 pm
#6
As far as I can tell, your stomach will digest everything within 45 minutes. That is coming from a full stomach. So an item with 22 fill will take 22% of 45 minutes to digest, or 9.9 minutes. This has been my experience with food, and I may be off on this. But it does appear to work this way in every test I have done, and there have been multiple discussions about this on the boards.
So depending on the length of the spice upper, you can calculate the filling of the SD to determine where it needs to be to have completely digest by the end of the upper.
Morganite
Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:28 pm
#7
The secret to smugglers delights are using medium addatives to them. You can get to the mid 80%'s with the medium addatives(84's I used), and that gives about a 20 second downer. The problem really is that to make them, you either have to harvest all the milk yourself, or charge a minimum of 150k/crate,(assuming the 100cpu price for milk)which makes each smugglers delight the same cost as a crate of muon. You only get 20 crates out of a full run of bantha's butter's. You have to recoup a 2 million cost just for the milk, which makes it difficult to make a worthwhile profit on them. If they lowered the requirements to 1 bantha's butter instead of 2, it could be a great money-maker, but as it stands, it is for the rich only.
And no, I haven't ever seen the delights past 1 stack-size, and I have made factory runs of the stuff.
ChefVomit
Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:26 pm
#8
Ehh.....not really seeing how lowering the effectiveness of SD with Medium makes good business sense. BSN's only cost marginally less than INNs.....usually less than 10k difference between them. So not really sure what saving 10k on production costs does to improve sales. I mean, if this stuff were 40k a crate......and this would lower the cost to 30k a crate, that might be something. But this stuff goes for more than 100k regardless.....so lowering the price 10%, but lowering effectiveness 20% doesnt seem like it would be attractive to players.
My customer base for SD are ALL PvPers They want a good price yes, but they wont buy ANYTHING unless it is at least 96% or higher because in the middle of a PvP battle you can't wait 20 seconds. 10 seconds is pushing it.
It IS a novel idea though, usuing BSNs.....and you are right.....it will lower the cost some. I just dont think that the spicers on Starsider will go for it. Then again, that may be point at the middle of all of this: DIfferent servers have different tastes and requirements. Perhaps your formula is exactly what Ahazi needs. Im not sure......but I do know that I will take your advice and give it a shot. Maybe it will help out. Worth a shot. And you are DEFINITELY correct that lowering the milk requirement for Bantha butter would help tremendously.
By the way, Morganite....I like to talk things out to myself as I am posting. The first paragraph isnt an indictment of your method, simply me talking out my concerns about it. Sometimes people take my posts the wrong way...LOL. Anyway.....this is a good discussion.
DubC
Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:30 am
#9
Is this still the case? I just made a few crates of 100%, 24 fill, 1 use...
ChefVomit wrote:
The best Smugglers Delight that can be made is 99% reduction. This is what I make, and I have found that there is a market for it, since there is basically a 2 second delay between the time you can take another spice. The problem is exactly what Kriles said: Price. Milk is not hard to get, but it takes time. And the Intelligent Nanonutrients needed are not cheap.
If you are a Master Chef and a Master BE, AND you have guildies who can bring you good meat and a good deal of milk, then you can make this fairly cheaply. If you dont have Master BE, then the cost to produce this stuff will be prohibitive when it comes to selling it for a decent markup.
Everything else was already very well put by Kriles. Just remember, 99% is the cap. Do not produce anything better than that because it WILL NOT work. 100% and higher SD is bugged at the moment.
sciguyCO
Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:38 am
#10
DubC wrote:
Is this still the case? I just made a few crates of 100%, 24 fill, 1 use...
ChefVomit wrote:
The best Smugglers Delight that can be made is 99% reduction. This is what I make, and I have found that there is a market for it, since there is basically a 2 second delay between the time you can take another spice. The problem is exactly what Kriles said: Price. Milk is not hard to get, but it takes time. And the Intelligent Nanonutrients needed are not cheap.
If you are a Master Chef and a Master BE, AND you have guildies who can bring you good meat and a good deal of milk, then you can make this fairly cheaply. If you dont have Master BE, then the cost to produce this stuff will be prohibitive when it comes to selling it for a decent markup.
Everything else was already very well put by Kriles. Just remember, 99% is the cap. Do not produce anything better than that because it WILL NOT work. 100% and higher SD is bugged at the moment.
Well, the last time I tested (which granted was a few months ago), using SD with reduction > 100% gave the "no longer on downer" message (or whatever the text is) immediately after the spice wore off, but my stats were still reduced. I don't remember if I could take another dose of spice (you usually can't during the downer period).
Anyone checked this out recently? It definitely hasn't been included in any patch notes, but not every fix makes it into those.
I've really got to schedule some time to collect up a list of bugged foods. Look for it in the next day or two...
Mayor_Woosh
Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:47 am
#11
sciguyCO wrote:
DubC wrote:
Is this still the case? I just made a few crates of 100%, 24 fill, 1 use...
ChefVomit wrote:
The best Smugglers Delight that can be made is 99% reduction. This is what I make, and I have found that there is a market for it, since there is basically a 2 second delay between the time you can take another spice. The problem is exactly what Kriles said: Price. Milk is not hard to get, but it takes time. And the Intelligent Nanonutrients needed are not cheap.
If you are a Master Chef and a Master BE, AND you have guildies who can bring you good meat and a good deal of milk, then you can make this fairly cheaply. If you dont have Master BE, then the cost to produce this stuff will be prohibitive when it comes to selling it for a decent markup.
Everything else was already very well put by Kriles. Just remember, 99% is the cap. Do not produce anything better than that because it WILL NOT work. 100% and higher SD is bugged at the moment.
Well, the last time I tested (which granted was a few months ago), using SD with reduction > 100% gave the "no longer on downer" message (or whatever the text is) immediately after the spice wore off, but my stats were still reduced. I don't remember if I could take another dose of spice (you usually can't during the downer period).
Anyone checked this out recently? It definitely hasn't been included in any patch notes, but not every fix makes it into those.
I've really got to schedule some time to collect up a list of bugged foods. Look for it in the next day or two...
Hmm I'll try and test some tonight if I get a chance.
DubC
Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:50 am
#12
Well I for one hope that its any Smuggler's Delight that isgreater than +100, but not including +100 itself... Otherwise I just wasted some precious milk... 
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