Carbineer Archive

I already know rifle stinks in close combat/melee combat. WIth huge damage modifiers making them take extra damage.

Pistol on the other hand, gets bonuses, and has no apparent negatives to hit. And the pistoleer line even has a pistol "melee" attack.

What about carbines? How do they fair in melee/close combat? Are there modifiers that make you take more damage? Or miss more often because you are in melee?

Im trying to figure out if going ONLY master carbineer is viable, or if it would be better to take a melee class as a secondary class for when the enemy enters close combat with you

IE: Carbine/Pikeman

if so, it would seem that Pistol is the only "complete package" weapon class out there, needing no other weapon to compliment it in its areas of weakness (or lack there of)

You will miss a lot, and take a good chunk of damage using a Carbine.

Not as bad as a Rifle, but far far worse than a Pistol.

Well, pistol isn't supposed to be a complete package, either. It is weaker in actual point blank combat than a true melee class (although it has the option of kiting to make this fairly even), but it is supposed to lose effectiveness at mid and long range. This loss of effectiveness is currently questionable, but likely due to a bug rather than an intended design feature.

As for whether carbine can stand on its own: yes.You will notice a difference in effectiveness between our ideal range and point blank, but if you start your combat at or a little beyond ideal, you get enough shots in that this drop won't prevent you from killing your target with very reasonable damage taken to yourself.

Presumably, a carbineer should never be in close combat--his opponents should be forced to the ground before they get in close. When this fails (or, rather, when those specials are not working properly), the carbineer should move to try to maintain optimum range. Note that Carbineers and Pistoleers both gain bonuses to firing on the run as they progress.

Caviat--I am not a carbineer, but I loves me carbine

And what is optimum range exactly? 15m? 30m?

NamavForsirn

A carbineer who gets killeda lot

Specific optimum range depends on the specific weapon you're using. My Laser Carbine's optimum range was like 48m, but my EE3's optimum range is about 22m. In general, a pistol's optimum range will be close, but not point blank. A carbine's will be a medium distance and a rifle's will be longer ranges. Makes sense. Now, as has been stated, whether this is actully working correctly in the game code is debatable, but even if it isn't now, I feel pretty confident that it will be at some point in the not too distant future.

Laren - Corbantis

Novice Carbineer
Novice Squad Leader

Just a small carbine tip. I bought a cherry CDEF carbine...you can usually find these on the bazaar and had it sliced for speed (like 2.5 now). CDEF carbines have no accuracy penalties at close range. So, I have a fast firing weapon that hits decent at close range - however it does low damage. I switch to this carbine when mobs get close and use warning shot...once the mob moves away, I force it kneeling/prone then switch back to my laser carbine.

in reference to earlyer post; DO rifles get +to hit while moving? i checked the tree and didn't see anyting. Did I miss it?

Don't forget you can use pointblank shots for the carbine which can help the closeness of a target. If you've got whipping accuracy though probably won't need it, but it's the difference between hit and miss for a young gunner.

-- Ypi

Use a EE3/DH17 snub/DXR6 for Close range - the Ideal is 22 M's (not really sure about the DH17 or ee3)- You'll get like +12 or so at 22 m's - I would suggest you have it customized to put a scope on it.

The Ideal at 22 m's at Master will give you +28 Aim at 22 m's - about -30 at 5 m's or less.