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Thread: Bounty Hunters think nerfing Carbineers was a good thing!
Actually, Serrak, didn't you say Counter Attack does not work in a BH thread a few minutes ago?
Need clarification, if possible.
I certainly dont think its a good thing, although everyone should have seen it coming.
Its a fact, where ever the populace drifts too, that profession starts to draw more attention, as it draws attention more people get sick fed up of being beated by said profession. I dare say rifleman will be the next to feel the bat, notice that rifleman has not had anything added to it, it is the same as it was and always has been, but as the uber templates migrate to this profession, more and more people will get sick of being HS3 with a JIC wearing their comp armour.
Its a sad fact but the squeaky wheel gets the grease in this game.
sneakachu wrote:so one guy makes a post on why they think it was a good thing, and the conclusion is that ALL BH's think it's a good thing now?so...how many people play this game? and you take one person's words and call it a reliable statistical sample? or representative ofan entire profession's thoughts on the matter? way to generalize...
That it was even suggested by one is insulting. (or two given the replies) And Bounty Hunters will attack in the same manner (especially against Jedi) who make half-assed comments like that one. I'm sure no one has every attacked a Jedi stating that removing Permadeath and resetting the death counter is a great thing for Bounty Hunters. And yes, I probably should have rephrased the Subject to "There are Bounty Hunters who think nerfing the Carbineer Profession was a good thing!" but I get my point across anyway. But perhaps you don't understand the condition Carbineers were in, and are in now. Bounty Hunter looks spiffy now compared to Carbineers, and we're in the same league (maybe worse given our specials problems) as Pikemen.
Second, I don't have the interest to analyze log data myself - but from posts here in the Carbineer forums, the BH forums, Core Systems and TestCenter I've heard almost everyone who seriously discusses CounterAttack states that they either 1) don't know if it works beyond the combat message or 2) Sees damage avoidance but no actually attack beyond what is normally occuring. Plus, I've never seen myself do a counterattack normal attack while I'm inbetween specials (and my normal attacks were fast enough as is). Thus, many I've seen post on the subject refer to CounterAttack as being broken but acting sorta like a Dodge.
This game is too damn broken to make sense anymore.
Lol, you're not a moron Serrak, just flustrated at yet another stupid, unwarranted nerf. Charge Shot 1 was fine as it was. Should not have been touched, IMHO.
But the counter attack issue still intrigues me. We had some great BH posts (sorry, no link) from someone named Jana, I think, that analyzed counter attack vs. Charge Shot 1 vs Carbine Marksmanship. Her conclusion was that there was no difference between having all four boxes of counter attack or just having one - you got the benefit either way.
She also decided that if you had to choose between marksmanship and counter attack, marksmanship was the better choice.
She also said Charge Shot 1 was a must-have, too. But that was before this nerf.
Kal_Serrak wrote:
-That it was even suggested by one is insulting. (or two given the replies)
-But perhaps you don't understand the condition Carbineers were in, and are in now. Bounty Hunter looks spiffy now compared to Carbineers, and we're in the same league (maybe worse given our specials problems) as Pikemen.
-1 or 2? Even if were 20, it's still nota reliable enough representation to generalize. And btw, if the comments of 1 person insulted you that much,it's probably time to give the boards a rest.If you spend more than 10 minuteson the combat boards, you're going to read enough nonsense to work yourself into a frenzy. You can't let that crap get to you, there's too many kiddies on the boards worried about protecting their own ubah template.
-No, I do. And I used to make supportive posts in the Carbineer forum regarding the sad state of shots/trees I never intended to pick up for myself anyway. I thought it was a shame the class had so much wrong with it from day 1, and I supported a movement to fix broken or redundant shots. I actually liked the profession more than other combat classes because they made all the most useful BH shots carbine-based, so it just made sense to look toward the Carbineertreeswhen spending the paltry 33 points we had left. So yes, I do understand, and I wanted to see things change for the better.
Well, that was until I saw your correspondent take the plunge this week and place the blame for the CS1 nerf/fix/____ (whatever you want to call it) solely on BH's.BH's have been here since launch, and had CS1 available to them all this time. BH's who pvp don't complain about getting KD'd though, because that's their bread & butter too in pvp, so they accept the same thing happening to them by TK, etc.BH also do not have any defenses to speak of, and accept that as part of the class as well. However...you know who doesn't have any defense and DOES complain about it? Jedi...and BOY do the complain. Interesting, and when did jedi start popping up? Hmmm, and soon after,CS1 gets fixed along with the abolition of permadeath, and a tonof other jedi enhancements while mostcombat classes continue to be ignored? Well I'll let you decide who b*tchedand got CS1 nerfed then.
And it's not like BH's using CS1 on jedis could solely be responsible for causing them to whine about it,because honestly, we're not hunting jedi. Know why? Because the devs purposefully will NOT fix our droids and allow us to take legit jedi missions that can be completed. Encounteringplayer jedi in combat right now is a chance happening, nothing more. It's based on chance, and whether they're dumb enough to get tef'd out in the open. The Devswantjedi to level unmolested because they know it would be a bloodbath if we could actually huntthe whiny sob's. This is the reality of swg right now -If you're a jedi, anything is possible if you whine enough about it. Look at all that's been done for them just in the past month, yet combat classes like Carbineer get the shaft. Starting to see a pattern here?