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Thread: Why, carbineer correspondant check this out if there is one

Nuckman
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:09 pm
#1

Why do elite carbines suck, I have naver seen a good one no matter resources

Why do we not get a special at master?

Riddle me this



-Colonel Alic Sa'o-
Sukimikimaka
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:15 pm
#2

The elite carbines are not too bad ITO of damage mitigation though.... but they still kinda suck.

As for the special.... who knows?
Nuckman
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:18 pm
#3

well they do less than half or more damage then an advanced lazer and the spd is bit much faster


they are all garbage





-Colonel Alic Sa'o-
TAfirehawk
Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:24 pm
#4

READ before you post......after you have AT LEAST read the STICKY posts and still have questions, then we might be able to help you.....


I will not further recognize thisridiculous post by saying any more than that.....





Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

Lihpson
Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:17 pm
#5






TAfirehawk wrote:

READ before you post......after you have AT LEAST read the STICKY posts and still have questions, then we might be able to help you.....


I will not further recognize thisridiculous post by saying any more than that.....









Jeez man, lighten up If you don't want to recognize the post, dont read itor post.



As far as the original post goes, I have never found a practicle use for an elite either With there speed being so low, and there damage only decent, at best, I really see no use in them. I use E11 carbines for PvP, and the only benefit of the elite I can see is it min damage is nice. Comparable to an E11 but probably a little better. It would be nice to see a damage improvement on it in the combat rebalance, and also a master shot would be supurb




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Gihpson
Master of Polearms
Personal Motto: "The more the better!"
Theme Song: "Burnin Ring of (mind) Fire"!
EisMan_Buckeye
Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:35 pm
#6






Nuckman wrote:

well they do less than half or more damage then an advanced lazer and the spd is bit much faster


they are all garbage








Here are some of my carbines, for comparison. 2 are "Plain Jane" non-Krayted carbines, and 2 are Kraytedwith aForm Fitted Stock and Advanced Scope. I use a player speed mod of +85, thus firing Crippling Shot at 1.01 seconds with the 2.7 speed carbs, and 1.00 second with the 2.4 speed. In all 4 cases, Crippling Shot was the best single target special in terms of DPS.


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CarbineSpeed Min Max A B C D
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Elite2.7 143 218 1337.04 1671.30 334.26 296.25
Laser2.776 302 1400.00 2100.00 437.50 284.06


Krayt Elite 2.4 165 377 2032.50 2540.63 508.13 388.88
Krayt Laser 2.7 87 436 1937.04 2905.56 605.32 367.50
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A = Max DPS Special (before AP, 75% PvP reduction, etc)
B = DPS vs. Target w/ No Armor (PvE)
C = DPS vs. Target w/ Light Armor (PvP)
D = DPS vs. Target w/ Light Armor and Ranged Mitigation 3 (PvP)


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As you can see, the laser is no where near twice the damage of the elite, and in no case is the laser faster (they are usually much slower). Also, in both cases where mitigation is involved, the elite out damages the laser. I'd hardly call that garbage.


Oh, the other thing that got me a bit riled up was the subject lol... IF THERE IS ONE?!?!?! You have got to be kidding me! Nova has got to be one of the best correspondents, hands down, in all of SWG. Please do your homework before posting ignorant ramblings.

Message Edited by EisMan_Buckeye on 06-01-2004 07:39 PM



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Therascalking3
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:08 pm
#7

Elite carbines are for PvP

I PvP all the time as a member of Crimson Guard and i only use my elite because the thing with a power up has nice damage output especially with good specials like cripple or burst shot. The carbine speed is screwed up as it is because we should fire like rapid crazy after all we are the machine gunner, but besides that the biggest thing you need to watch out for is mitigation in PvP. If i attack a master pistoleer with ranged mitigation 3 with a laser carbine i am screwed because it works of the difference between the max damage and the min damage. Using an elite bring those values closer together so that less of your damage is mitigated and more go through make it more effecitve in a PvP fight if maybe the numbers arent as high.


A elite carbine is efficient where a laser carbine is just a big hulking thing.


get yourself a prime krayt elite and you will have the damage and everything you dreamed of.......and by the way ill buy some of those tissues from you lol



Edoh
Member of Sturmgrenadier
Master Squad Leader
Master Carbineer
Starsider
TAfirehawk
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:22 pm
#8

Lets just ignore the fact that the Elite is the most discussed Weapon in the FAQ......


Is it too much to ask people to READ THE FAQ.......THEN ask questions instead of make childish little statements about how awful something is.


Fine, FLAME me for stooping to their level on this one but I figured it was the only way to communicate.....on this level.....



This is NOT some /cry baby Jedi orFotM forum.......if I have stooped too low to reach the level of previous posts them I am sorry.....but somebody has to say it and I don't mind looking like the "bad guy" to make a point






Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

Lihpson
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:29 pm
#9

TA, you do good work on the forums and I appreciate it, but there are new carbineers that come and go on a daily basis. I have gone in and out of professions and I am not always up to date on the current issues of each profession. Who cares if an issue is discussed over and over, I see it alot and I ignore it alot I still got beef with the Elite Carb though



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Gihpson
Master of Polearms
Personal Motto: "The more the better!"
Theme Song: "Burnin Ring of (mind) Fire"!
TAfirehawk
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:39 pm
#10

Well after the work put into the FAQ I find it VERY frustrating to have people ignore it coming into this Forum......and then people here don't use it either.....feels like I am taking on that Fencer at 0m


No the Elite is not what it SHOULD be, but it sure has its place.....unlike 99% of the "other" gamers out there, Carbineer is for the Thinking Man/Woman. There are at least 4-5 Weapons and 8-10 Specials that need to be used in different situations. This is not grab a Jawa or T21 and spam one button until somebody dies type of thing.


Personally I think our FAQ should emphasize this "play-style" fact a bit more to HELP people make the proper decision on Carbineer vs. FotM profs.....



Or maybe I am just grumpy tonight


Please don't take this personal, I am basing my comments on MANY posts, not just this one thread






Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

Lihpson
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:47 pm
#11

Very true. I guess I am just sick of flames on the forum in general I would just rather see an insightful point then, maybea direction toward the FAQ, as I try not to be negitive (I get grumpy to though...sometimes just fully blown pissed at everything:smileymad or what I tend to do...Ignore stuff. But then again I know nothing


Still though, I got serious beef with the Elite





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Gihpson
Master of Polearms
Personal Motto: "The more the better!"
Theme Song: "Burnin Ring of (mind) Fire"!
TAfirehawk
Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:50 pm
#12

The Elite is quite handy as EisMan has shown.....my personal guns favor the Laser by ONLY 1% So it does have its place.



And sometimes it gets boring around here so I like to keep the pot stirred up nicely







Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

Nuckman
Wed Jun 02, 2004 5:34 am
#13






TAfirehawk wrote:

Well after the work put into the FAQ I find it VERY frustrating to have people ignore it coming into this Forum......and then people here don't use it either.....feels like I am taking on that Fencer at 0m


No the Elite is not what it SHOULD be, but it sure has its place.....unlike 99% of the "other" gamers out there, Carbineer is for the Thinking Man/Woman. There are at least 4-5 Weapons and 8-10 Specials that need to be used in different situations. This is not grab a Jawa or T21 and spam one button until somebody dies type of thing.


Personally I think our FAQ should emphasize this "play-style" fact a bit more to HELP people make the proper decision on Carbineer vs. FotM profs.....



Or maybe I am just grumpy tonight


Please don't take this personal, I am basing my comments on MANY posts, not just this one thread









You think im going to spend 30 minutes going thro post, no you on the other hand are a tool and kast i checked your opinion doesnt matter to me if your going to ve an *******



-Colonel Alic Sa'o-
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