Carbineer Archive

well ive been a master carbineer for 3 months and i dont ever, ever, remember actually KDing someone with the shot, just breifly making them follow over and them popping back up immediately. Secondly, I dont know what u mean by "fixed the animation bug" as what I thought atleast, was that they just put a timer on so that it cant be spammed. If this has always been a KD shot, then it is one that is broken as it never actually KDs anything.

not my experience with it. i always noted that the first time i fired it it almost ALWAYS knocked down my target completely. if i fired a second one immediately though, they stood up, and subsequent charge shots would tell me that i "failed to knock down my target", but theyd still go through the animation of falling down each time. the first knockdown i'd do, my target would NOT be able to attack, but whenever it told me that i failed to knock them down, ranged enemies were still able to fire. about every 15 seconds it seemed they'd go through a legitimate knockdown, it wouldnt tell me i failed, but then the same thing would continue. rinse and repeat.

now when i fire the first shot, they still get knocked down, but subsequent shots dont do anything until the timer is up, same as any other profession's knockdown works.

the question he's raising though, nova, is whether or not our knockdown lasts as long as other profession's knockdowns do. as i was saying, before the patch if i fired a charge shot and then another charge shot, my target would immediately stand up, and then another charge shot would make it go through the animation. but i seem to remember(not saying this is true, but its what comes to mind) that after the patch if i fired 2 charge shots in a row and the first one knocked them down, the second one would still make them stand up. can anyone confirm that?

if true, then its possible that reports of our knockdown not lasting as long as other knockdowns are entirely due to us trying to spam the shot(in which case, just fire one charge shot at a time until it works ). if this isnt the case though, and our knockdown really does have a shorter duration than the other knockdowns, then we do need to make sure the devs know this.

Rhett

Yeah, that's the same stuff that was happening with me Rhett. If the first shot hit, it would be a true knockdown. That's why i never followed it with a second CS1, becuase I would have wasted a good chance for a crippleshot.

-TK

My expericence has both pre and post patch has been pretty much the same as Rhetts. It seems to me that when they're considering the balancing options, like adding a timer to cs1, they're testing this out in 1 on 1 pvp situations. In a duel, pre patch, i could keep someone on their back but it did NOT stop them from shooting, however, it did create problems for melee oponents. As cs1 does very little damage, it seemed insane to me that anyone would try and win a duel with only cs1. As for large group pvp, a no timer cs1 would let you cylce through the crowd and knock everyone one down (since cs2 doesn't work). If you tried spaming only 1 person in a group with it, you'd die pretty quick. Maybe they can try it out in a mass pvp instead of 1 on 1. I'm not upset about having a timer on it, but after reading a previous post by novamarine that said it was supposed to KD for 5 seconds I decided to test it out last night. Not a single target went down longer than 2.5 seconds, with the majority getting up instantly. If the target stayed down long enough to take advantage of the KD, (like slip in a high damage shot like crippleshot or add a dizzy state) then it would be a working special. Until that happens, it's a usefull as throwing rocks.