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Thread: Thinking of being a Carbineer... help.

DigiDante
Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:13 pm
#1

My current alt is a ranger / riflewoman.. and I am desperado / pistol / smug.

Come JTLS Selusa is dropping most of his combat to be smuggler / shipwright.

Ranger is not worth crap honestly... and rifleman... eh it isn't as cool as I thought it would be.

I have done some research on a character builder... I am really just wanting the experienced players to help me with my template.

Novice Brawler
0200 Medic
Master Marks
4000 Scout
3400 Bounty Hunter
Master Carbineer

With that template I would have...

Alertness +10
Bounty Mission Difficulty +3
Burst Run Efficiency +40
amping +5
Carbine Accuracy +190
Carbine Accuracy While Moving +30
Carbine Aiming +25
Carbine Speed +115
Counterattack +105
Creature Harvesting +15
Creature Knowledge +5
Defense Vs. Intimidate +25
Defense Vs. Knockdown +15
Droid Precision +120
Droid Speed +80
Droid Tracking Speed +40
General Ranged Aiming +30
Injury Treatment +5
Injury Treatment Speed +35
Light Lightning Cannon Accuracy +20
Light Lightning Cannon Speed +10
Mask Scent +70
Medical Foraging +10
Medicine Assembly +10
Medicine Experimentation +10
Medicine Use +5
Melee Defense +2
Pistol Accuracy +60
Pistol Speed +30
Ranged Defense +42
Taunt +10
Terrain Negotiation +40
Tracking Droid Effectiveness +50
Tracking Droids +4
Wound Treatment +5

This template allows me to heal myself and my wounds minus mind. I am hoping to just keep brawler for Taunt since it helps a ton for big game hunting pve... I am also wanting to be able to hunt jedi, since it's something I've never done. So that means I'd have to be decent at PVP also.

With PVP in mind... I could get rid of medic and get...

Novice Brawler
Master Marks
4022 Scout
4440 Bounty Hunter
Master Carbineer

That would give me eyeshot, and torsoshot.

Pistol Speed +80
Pistol Accuracy +110

I just distributed the additional left over 4 pts into scout so they didn't gather dust.

I am thinking that the ranged kd/dizzy along with eyeshot could be fun...

Is Master Carbineer worth it? I know that Master Pistoleer is worth jack crap so atm I am only 0043 pistols. I notice that Carbineer can be speed capped at +90 with any weapon 4.0 speed or lower. If Master Carbineer isn't worth it... how much could I drop? Would Master BH be worth it?

EDIT: Some info above is inaccurate, I realized after posting that I left a line in brawler, needless to say that freed up 14 points.

Message Edited by DigiDante on 10-18-2004 07:33 PM



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

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wilibus
Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:22 pm
#2

With BH/Carbines you have alot of offence, no question there, a boatload of specials that can all be fired at the 1 second speed cap is nothing to shake a stick at. The only concern would be defences in PvP ... your melee defence is 2, plus the state defence are basically non-existent. Pistoleer 0044 would stack nicely on top of this, but something would need to go. Other than that looks great








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DigiDante
Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:28 pm
#3

I'd have to give up a ton of BH, otherwise I can't give up anything else...

So basically this build is for pve?

I am hoping the combat revamp helps out defense from melee profs...



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
DigiDante
Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:31 pm
#4

Crap I just noticed I had accidently left a line in brawler.

I just figured I could actually...

Master BH
Master Carbines
Master Marks
4000 Scout
Novice Brawler.

Or I could...

3440 BH
Master Carbines
Master Marks
4000 Scout
Novice Brawler
0200 Medic.

^----- I like that one.

Message Edited by DigiDante on 10-18-2004 07:38 PM



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
TAfirehawk
Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:02 pm
#5






DigiDante wrote:
Crap I just noticed I had accidently left a line in brawler.

I just figured I could actually...

Master BH
Master Carbines
Master Marks
4000 Scout
Novice Brawler.

Or I could...

3440 BH
Master Carbines
Master Marks
4000 Scout
Novice Brawler
0200 Medic.

^----- I like that one.

Message Edited by DigiDante on 10-18-2004 07:38 PM






Why are you keeping 3XXX BH? If you want to hunt Jedi, well BH/Carbineer sure isn't the way to do it.....just ask Benny....


And 2000 Medic makes more sense than 0200 Medic.


I would also question why go XX4X BH without any other Pistoleer skills....and you can pick them up from dropping down some in Carbineer since you are X4XX BH.





Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

DigiDante
Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:07 pm
#6



TAfirehawk wrote:

Why are you keeping 3XXX BH? If you want to hunt Jedi, well BH/Carbineer sure isn't the way to do it.....just ask Benny....

And 2000 Medic makes more sense than 0200 Medic.

I would also question why go XX4X BH without any other Pistoleer skills....and you can pick them up from dropping down some in Carbineer since you are X4XX BH.






That is why I have posted this.

I don't plan on hunting jedi by myself, I always hunt in groups. Allowing me to have the investigation allows my group to pick up more melee.

I haven't had medic in a long time, so I'm not quite sure whats best I just figured injury treatment speed would be.

The xx4x BH is so I can have speed max for pistols and have eyeshot. Carbine has no mindshot... but eyeshot targets the mind, plus torso shot is a firedot.

And about you commenting on dropping master carbineer since I am wanting x4xx BH, what would you recommend dropping? How much could I drop? Dropping more carbine frees up more medic for me...



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
TAfirehawk
Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:10 pm
#7






DigiDante wrote:

I don't plan on hunting jedi by myself, I always hunt in groups. Allowing me to have the investigation allows my group to pick up more melee.





Investigation does what? It is for taking BH missions, specifically Jedi at Invest 3.





Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

DigiDante
Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:12 pm
#8



TAfirehawk wrote:


DigiDante wrote:

I don't plan on hunting jedi by myself, I always hunt in groups. Allowing me to have the investigation allows my group to pick up more melee.


Investigation does what? It is for taking BH missions, specifically Jedi at Invest 3.






....Yeah I know that.



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
TAfirehawk
Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:16 pm
#9


You can drop down to 3434 Carbineer with 0400 BH. If you were not in groups and didn't need Cone Effect/Multi-Target Specials, then you could drop more.


The FAQ gives some more detail about dabbling in Carbineer.



Well I guess..... 3440 BH - 3434 Carbineer - 0040 Pistoleer - 2000 Medic would be my suggestion for you.


Message Edited by TAfirehawk on 10-18-2004 11:20 PM



Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

DigiDante
Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:11 pm
#10

That is about what I was looking at.

I was thinking
3434 Carbineer
3440 BH
Novice Medic
0041 Pistols

That way I get a small amount of melee defense, state defenses, and a pistol close range KD.

I would be speed cap for both pistol and carbine also.



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
AdmiralSpy
Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:13 pm
#11

While Investigation 3 might seem appealing for Jedi Hunting, you'd really want either Master Bounty Hunter for it, or none at all. It all boils down tothe tracking speed benefits of MBH. I'd dumpthose few extra points in Medic if you can.


Keeping the Carbine line of BH is a good idea, though, and should prove to be fun, both in PvE and PvP.



Addy | 'Addy
ex-Photographer
Forever Carbineer
DigiDante
Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:20 pm
#12

Well how about this...

3334 Carbine ( would result in +145 accuracy vs +170 )
4440 BH ( +70 Droid Tracking Speed, +80 Droid Speed vs +80 DTS and +90 DS at Master )
Novice Medic
0041 Pistol
4000 Scout
Master Marks



Selusa Secundus - Elder Smuggler - September 2003.
Sheeana Secundus - Respec Jedi - Elder Carbineer @ heart.
Raylonis Del'Rathin - Elder Chef, Dancer - Retired / Canceled July 2005.
Leader of the fallen Guild, Veil of Silence.

Without the past, the future would never happen.
Believes in a better future for SWG.
Everytime a Rollback or Additional server thread is spawned SOE murders a kitten. Please... think of the kittens and stop this erradication.
TAfirehawk
Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:02 am
#13






DigiDante wrote:
Well how about this...

3334 Carbine ( would result in +145 accuracy vs +170 )
4440 BH ( +70 Droid Tracking Speed, +80 Droid Speed vs +80 DTS and +90 DS at Master )
Novice Medic
0041 Pistol
4000 Scout
Master Marks






Hunting Jedi you will get pwned in a heartbeat.....you need melee in your template unless you are killing EBAY Jedi


BTW, the defense you are picking up won't help one bit either until the mod is around +75 or higher IMO.





Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

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