Carbineer Archive

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acmtalk wrote:

OH btw.. Yeah I know , I cant spell OH Btw.. If any of you guys know How can I beat a Master lightsaber beeing a carbinner let me know...

Message Edited by acmtalk on 10-17-2004 10:49 PM

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A lot of patience.... a really good R3 bomb droid... a pup'd and 33% sliced laser carbine.. MBH title... and did I mention patience?

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showmercy wrote:

I spent 20 minutes (honestly) fighting a rifleman this evening. He had rifle/doc, and was unstoppable. When he was dizzy he just used the stand/heal exploit and healed it. When he got too much damage (not to mention that just damaging him was hard enough) he just healed it away. It was a stalemate. I know rifles are supposed to be powerful, but I did notinvest a lot of time AND money into skill attachments/weapons/armor to build my template,sosome FOG (fresh off the grind) rifleman/doc can make me run away. I think the biggest hurt for carbineers is the fact that we can't target the mind.

Message Edited by showmercy on 10-17-2004 07:53 PM

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A rifleman can outdamage us by about 2K-3K DPS with their best gun vs. ours. (period) A nice T-21 vs. a super Krayt damaged sliced Laser, and the rifleman is 3 TIMES MORE DAMAGING? (yes include AP3, and you'll have even more of a reason why a revamp is necessary...)or in the case of my guilds last Krayt hunt... 4 rifleman (I don't wan't to use this term, but) pwned our group of 12!!! We weren't all elite combat prof's, but we could easily solo a canyon, but the 4 riflemen rush in and completely outdamage us... where is the balance in that?

Another random point: Why can we not intimidate with something as basic as threatenshot? If a novice brawler, no xp necessary, they get warcry, inimidate and berserk... what does marksman get that is comparable? No 10 second stun, No half damage takenmodifier/double damage done modifierx2.

Carb get's at max 25 vs intimidate and 15 KD (and these are ALL OF THE DEFENSES granted to a carbineer)... compare that to anythigother thanartisan and you'll see the problem... come on, this is supposed to be a combat profession...

example if ya don't belive me: Plain master rifleman:

Defense:

40 melee defense

30 posture change

72 ranged defense

10 stun and dizzy

80 cover

Offense:

Rifle speed 90

Rifle accuracy 160

rifle aiming 100

Now, Master Carbineer same amount of skill points mind you (92) to master a ranged profession:

Defense:

Intimidate 25

KD 15

MELEE DEFENSE!!!! 000000000000!!!!

RANGED DEFENSE 27!!!!!!

counterattack 105 (could be nice if it worked like other defenses...)

Offense:

Carbine speed 60

Carbince accuracy 130

Carbine aiming 25

Summary: 92 skill points:

Rifleman gets 40 more melee and 45 more ranged defense.

+50 complete state changes for riflemanvs. 40 for carbineer, (not that biased, in and of itself)

90 speed for rifleman, vs. 60 for carbineer... so a master carbineer is slower than a rifleman... was this what the devs planned?

160 accuracy vs. 130 accuracy for master carbineer, okay makes sense, a rifleman should hit his target more frequently, IF HE SHOT SLOWER THAN A CARBINEER!!!

Rifle aiming 75 vs Carbine aiming of 25... anyone see a slight problem? they can aim 3 times better than a carbineer, are 33% faster, and 20% more accurate...

Now would you like me to mention the weapon selection Master riflemen have compared to a Master carbineer?....

Of course not all professions are as outdamaging as a rifleman, but believe me, there are few professions as underpowered as a carbineer...

Counterattack: I wouldn't say a word if this were as beneficial is block or dodge is, but personally don't see this as a viable defense atm.

State attacks: We get some great ones... most shots have a chance to bleed (like other prof's I hear)Wildshot stuns, legshot as well, supressionfire 2 and actionshot 1 and 2 are good PDs, fullauto is a good dizzy, chargeshot 1 and 2 both are more than useful... but this is all in low level/medium level PvE... You ever KD an elder without trying 40 times, or put a state on a canyon Krayt, besides bleed? ever done anything more than scratch a GDK

Hey,

Don't get all frustrated. Rifleman is gonna get nerfed. Speed nerf is coming a mile away. But if you gotta pwn rifleman, you are free to become Mrifleman/MCM yourself. (I did it, it was fun. I dropped both though. Too boring. Throw poison ... spam HS3. Also, getting pounced by Meleers is a no-no. (To be honest, once rifleman get speed-nerfed, rifleman's gonna stink horribly ... no KD pure spam before the opponent gets to ye.)

Finally, we can be a better party contributer than a rifleman ever be. You all know this by now.

Qui'lu of Chilastra

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acmtalk wrote:

well I started Gridding carbines because I wanted to be original hehe (everyone says crabines sux) well I wanted to prove that they are all wrong.. But the fact is It really SUX!! The ham cost is insane , and lazer carbiner isnt great to PVP since its min damage is really low.. well... so I really want to congratz you guys , who keep this profession .. It seems that the devs dont care about carbineers , (well almost all the other professions got new weapons , not carbineers.,) Oh and any rifleman , can shot with a t-21 faster than a carbinner... Maybe one day when the devs stop doing things only for jedis in this game we can get a fix in this profession.. Maybe....

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I feel sorry for you, go be a rifleman fan boy as everyone else who spams /headshot3 go for it, carbineer is possibly the easiest grind i did it in 2 days with BH carbs

Message Edited by GarVa on 10-19-2004 07:20 AM

Message Edited by Sid_Viscious on 10-19-2004 07:20 AM

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acmtalk wrote:

well I started Gridding carbines because I wanted to be original hehe (everyone says crabines sux) well I wanted to prove that they are all wrong.. But the fact is It really SUX!! The ham cost is insane , and lazer carbiner isnt great to PVP since its min damage is really low.. well... so I really want to congratz you guys , who keep this profession .. It seems that the devs dont care about carbineers , (well almost all the other professions got new weapons , not carbineers.,) Oh and any rifleman , can shot with a t-21 faster than a carbinner... Maybeone day when the devs stop doing things onlyfor jedis in this game we can get a fix in this profession.. Maybe....

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Sorry you “feel” exposed as a Carbineer. I apologize that you did not get the time to “learn” your new profession. I agree it is sad you get beaten in PvP and PvE due to your lack of experience with the weapons you now have access to. All of the Carbineer’s who have stuck it out. All of the Carbineer’s who have learned how to augment and shore up their shortcomings. All of the Carbineer’s that have learned tactics that increase the likelihood of victory. All of the Carbineer’s that have learned the strengths and weaknesses of the other combat classes. All true Carbineer’s weep for you. I dedicate a poem to the true Carbineer of SWG. You know it already. You live it every day. It is why you succeed.

I was given a dull blade that did not cut,
My foe surrounded me with the intent to kill,
I was given a dull blade that did not cut,
They slashed my flesh making my blood run,
I was given a dull blade that did not cut,
I gnashed teeth at my misfortunate fate,
I was given a dull blade that did not cut,
So I stabbed my enemy in the eye,