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Thread: Another Mcarb Template...
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orange5
Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:08 pm
#1
I hear ppl say, you either have to defense stack, or offense stack, but you can't do both.
I disagree, and here's why:
My template
MCarb
BH 3400
Fencer 4000
with this template, I have 90+melee defense, 125+ ranged defense(including akuan rings, BE clothing), and the counterattack mod that comes along with Master Carb. These 3 defenses make me very difficult to hit. After reviewing my combat logs it is clear ppl miss me ALOT, and with counterattack, even if the 'unstoppable conterattack attack" doesn't work, the counterattack itself kicks in regularly, and acts as dodge would for others...
Now...No state defenses you say.
For me, as a carbineer, besides dots,I fear dizzy/kd the most. So with the right foods, namely Thaktillo, and some dizzy aa's and ca's, the dizzy/kd problem is solved. I know I'll still get stunned/blinded/intimidated...but nothing compares to being dizzied/kd...And even if I am dizzy/kd, it won't last nearly as long, this way I don't do the back flop while Tk's spam crane kick all day...
My point is, I'm very successfun in PvP, and I didn't stack offense or defense, I mixed.
Of course, you gotta take your foods/good weaps/good armor/health and mind buff crystals are nice too...
Anybody have a similar template, or opinion or thoughts on this? 
Message Edited by orange5 on 01-09-2005 03:35 PM
Message Edited by orange5 on 01-09-2005 03:36 PM
Message Edited by orange5 on 01-09-2005 04:00 PM
Starscream1
Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:17 pm
#3
Interesting, but I am curious, any special reason for picking upthe line in fencer instead of pistoleer? I thought about picking up the pistoleer dodge line, but I haven't looked that closely at it.
wilibus
Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:35 pm
#4
My problem with BH Carbs is that you can achieve almost as much offence with SEA's and you save yourself a bundle of skill points. The only thing i miss from my BH Carbine days is confusion shot.
orange5
Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:46 pm
#5
wilibus wrote:
My problem with BH Carbs is that you can achieve almost as much offence with SEA's and you save yourself a bundle of skill points. The only thing i miss from my BH Carbine days is confusion shot.
you either spend money on SEA's for offense, or SEA's for defense...either way you have to spend alot of credits
If I did't hunt jedi, I think my temp would be more like this MCarb/Pistoleer 3040/ Fencer 4000, and I'd have to make up the speed and accuracy pts w/sea's
confusion shot is excellent I agree
orange5
Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:48 pm
#6
Starscream1 wrote:
Interesting, but I am curious, any special reason for picking upthe line in fencer instead of pistoleer? I thought about picking up the pistoleer dodge line, but I haven't looked that closely at it.
Was just trying something different, plus I could use warcry from brawler....If I had to choose though, I would go 0040 pistols, not the dodge line
fellas, lets get rid of that 1 star eh??
Message Edited by orange5 on 01-09-2005 04:49 PM
Message Edited by orange5 on 01-09-2005 04:50 PM
AdmiralSpy
Sun Jan 09, 2005 6:37 pm
#7
If you're looking to hunt Jedi with Investigation three, I'd drop Fencer 4000 and pick up Medic skills instead.. atleast 0040 to start off, as the Fencer bonuses alone aren't enough to overcome state-inducing specials.
This template gives you:
25 Def. vs. Intimidate
15 Def. vs. Knockdown
0 Def. vs. Blind
0 Def. vs. Stun
0 Def. vs. Dizzy
0 Def. vs. Posture Down
Sadly, food and SEAs alone wouldn't help you all that much, as state defenses need to be in the 70+ range to be effective against even the weakest specials, and in the 85+ range to be effective against most other templates.
If anything, you'd want Pistoleer 0040 instead of Fencer 4000, which would give you:
25 Def. vs. Intimidate
65 Def. vs. Knockdown
0 Def. vs. Blind
40 Def. vs. Stun
40 Def. vs. Dizzy
20 Def. vs. Posture Down
Not ideal, but not bad either. It would ensure that Dizzy food would actually do something, however. Your suggested template, while strong in offense, would get dizzied ina single hit regardless of how many foods or SEAs you have.
Ideally, you'd also want to drop some Carbineer skills (you don't really need Master Carbineer) or perhaps Investigation (unless you really want to hunt Jedi) and could pick up Medic skills (essential in a viable PvP / dueling or high-end PvE template) or more defenses.
orange5
Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:14 pm
#8
AdmiralSpy wrote:
If you're looking to hunt Jedi with Investigation three, I'd drop Fencer 4000 and pick up Medic skills instead.. atleast 0040 to start off, as the Fencer bonuses alone aren't enough to overcome state-inducing specials.
This template gives you:
25 Def. vs. Intimidate
15 Def. vs. Knockdown
0 Def. vs. Blind
0 Def. vs. Stun
0 Def. vs. Dizzy
0 Def. vs. Posture Down
Sadly, food and SEAs alone wouldn't help you all that much, as state defenses need to be in the 70+ range to be effective against even the weakest specials, and in the 85+ range to be effective against most other templates.
If anything, you'd want Pistoleer 0040 instead of Fencer 4000, which would give you:
25 Def. vs. Intimidate
65 Def. vs. Knockdown
0 Def. vs. Blind
40 Def. vs. Stun
40 Def. vs. Dizzy
20 Def. vs. Posture Down
Not ideal, but not bad either. It would ensure that Dizzy food would actually do something, however. Your suggested template, while strong in offense, would get dizzied ina single hit regardless of how many foods or SEAs you have.
Ideally, you'd also want to drop some Carbineer skills (you don't really need Master Carbineer) or perhaps Investigation (unless you really want to hunt Jedi) and could pick up Medic skills (essential in a viable PvP / dueling or high-end PvE template) or more defenses.
I hear what you're saying...But I'm not looking to hunt jedi, or looking to be l33t, I just think this is one of the best variations for a Master Carbineer to have. You're right, I could do w/o invest 3 no doubt, but I want to play this game as a Master Carbineer.
I think you may underate the ranged/melee defenses. There are many occasions they come into play. A little lag and one stab from a pikeman is all it takes for him to land some sick strength poison/fire/disease and you're done.That melee defense greatly increases the chance of him missing you.Kiting ranged profs w/ hi melee/ranged defense, sometimes they can't even land a bleed! Im just saying, tons and tons of missed shots in the combat log...
It's true this is NOT a great PvE template, but there is still plenty to hunt, I have to stay away from some of the bigger stuff obviously because I have no medic...
*I have to say, Im not concerned with getting dizzied, just cannot get both at the same time. kd food + dizzy sea's + diizy drink makes a big difference...I don't care about the other states because frankly they don't effect my game plan...and I think state defense is overated
as for hunting jedi, medic is not necessary because the fights don't last long enough lol, either I die or they die from my poison/fire dot carbines first 
Message Edited by orange5 on 01-09-2005 06:17 PM
AdmiralSpy
Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:25 pm
#10
If you're not looking to hunt Jedi, drop Investigation 3 right now. Those 12 skillpoints can be put to much better use.
Also, keep in mind that mid state defenses are better than capped out ranged and melee defense. While Ranged and Melee defense do help.. they only prevent you from getting hit, and with the right armor and foods.. you shouldn't be taking too much damage from them.
What will kill you, however, is being dizzy/KD by anyone in a few seconds, thus completely nullifying your ranged/melee defense.. getting blinded and being unable to hit anything.. getting intimidated and losing half of your damage (which for us Carbineers isa big issue) or worse.. getting Stunned and hence getting all of the above, heh.
In PvP, as it stands right now, state defenses are more important than ranged/melee defense. The latter was not true back in the days when defenses could stack past 125.. but keeping states off yourself will keep you up and standing and alive out there much longer.
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