Carbineer Archive
Thread: Carbineer from the eyes of a rifleman
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RebRifle
Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:05 pm
#1
I see carbineer as basacly a rifleman that has traded dmg for more abilities and better defecnes(yes you got better then us) frankly i think ya guys arn't getting the kills ya deserve. You should get an aoe dizzy/knockdown, and also the ability for aoe stun, dizzy, posture change, and for pve a warning shot. And maybe a +10 speed somewere in there. Also i would be thinking maybe hs1 or hs2 since carbines are rifles just with a shorter barrel or lower caliber then the original rifle. Like the m1 garand to the carbine.
showmercy
Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:33 am
#2
Lol, trust me, you don't want Carbineer accurately modelled if you're a rifleman. If we were, we would be doing the same damage, hitting the same pool (mind) and doing it 8 times faster. All we are asking for though, is balance. Right now - a master pistoleer/BH pistols IV can easily take down a master carbineer BH carbines IV. and a Master Rifleman can take them down even easier. I just want to see a fair fight. What's nice about carbines are the states. What stinks about carbines are no defenses. Don't even try to bring up counterattack, because it's porked. I don't really mind it though, I have learned to adapt. Since I got master pistoleer BH pistols IV it's just not the same as it used to be. I miss my state attacks. I want my carbine 
Bisontreter
Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:55 am
#3
if Carbineer had a little more speed, then I'd be almost happy. there are still things that are not right, but the incredible slowness of it all is the worst. I'm fine with the purely support role in PvE, applying states to enemies, but atm I can't do that effectively enough. Pistoleers and Riflemen are much better at killing than I can be at supporting. when hunting in a group with a Master Fencer and a Pistoleer, I hardly get any XP because I can't get my shots off fast enough to make a difference. not to mention that soloing anything worthwhile is impossible anyways.
RebRifle
Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:35 am
#4
Bisontreter wrote:
if Carbineer had a little more speed, then I'd be almost happy. there are still things that are not right, but the incredible slowness of it all is the worst. I'm fine with the purely support role in PvE, applying states to enemies, but atm I can't do that effectively enough. Pistoleers and Riflemen are much better at killing than I can be at supporting. when hunting in a group with a Master Fencer and a Pistoleer, I hardly get any XP because I can't get my shots off fast enough to make a difference. not to mention that soloing anything worthwhile is impossible anyways.
ya samething happens to us we dont get any real speed till master the mod may say 70 before master but were still shooting our specals at 10 seconds. But i agree you guys need some serios defence overhall. Rifleman arn't supposed to have defence but you guys are. all your discritions descirbed ya as close quarters people who spray there shots.
Diggles
Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:02 pm
#5
I dont know what you are smoking rebrifle, carbineers have the worst defense of any ranged class, we get a whooping +25ranged defense (which only comes at master)...compared to riflemans +70ranged and +40melee
JekRendar2
Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:32 pm
#6
However, RebRifle is referring to Counterattack. I forgot how much we get +100 at Master, right? Anyways, showmercy, you're wrong, Counterattack must be taken into consideration. I don't know about you, but as a Master w/o skill tapes, I'm counterattacking at least 25% if not close to 50%. Of course, I never get to CA that much, because my target is usually dead by then.
showmercy
Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:25 am
#7
You're wrong, Carbineer does NOT counterattack. Counterattack is just a fancy name for "dodge". If counter attack actually worked the way it was intended, then enemy attacks on us that were counterattacked would actually end up with us hitting them back. That is not the case. The problem is, Counterattack doesn't even work as a good dodge! Pistoleer dodge is actually better than carbineer counterattack.
Shakaeq
Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:16 pm
#8
showmercy wrote:
Pistoleer dodge is actually better than carbineer counterattack.
Both are better than block. block= 1/2 damage, BF and wounds still taken. All state effects still come though.
Nadiel26
Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:09 am
#9
all state defenses bypass secondary defenses. as for you saying rifleman is slow till master carbineers get 60 speed AT master
Shakaeq
Fri Aug 13, 2004 8:33 am
#10
Nadiel26 wrote:
all state defenses bypass secondary defenses. as for you saying rifleman is slow till master carbineers get 60 speed AT master
I know. 60 is low. I was shocked when I firs found out about it. Leveling with 5 second rifles compared to 2-2.5 sec carbines is what I meant about rifle being slow until master.Rifles get +20 at the master box. I found leveling carbine easier than rifle.
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