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Thread: combat revamp documents comming out soon??

jopenack
Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:23 am
#1



http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=creature_handler&message.id=201994


Check out the TH uncensored thread in the ch forum


I thoughtthat you might be interested


he was talking to a ch in the stratics chatt last night


seems they shall be talking about when the documents will be released soon


hmm I thought they were releasing them soon??


ah but no they shall be talking about releasing them


its all smoke and mirrors there will be nothing done for a long long time and wether you want cb or not isnt the issue the issue is the lies and deception continues.


sad very sad



SHADOWFIRE - MASTER CREATURE HANDLER / MASTER RIFLEMAN

TEMPEST MTK/MD - WANDERHOME MT/MM -???-???

"Creature Handlers are not 1% of the population, they are over the 50% mark, the 1% excuse is a flat out lie"
TAfirehawk
Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:50 am
#2

I am surprised TH even gave this guy the time of day.....but as you can see in there, TH was not going to be drawn into this person's faint attempts to "steal" some info.


There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of substance in there from TH, don't even bother going to that link Carbineers......unless you like to read the same thing over and over again.


After the way the SWG Community has treated TH, I am not sure I would even be this nice in his shoes. Of course I have my complaints with the Devs but this isn't one of them.





And to the question in the Title of this "post count +1" thread......the Combat Balance Docs will be coming out when they are ready and not before, and the same goes for the Sandbox. There is a lot of work already done and being done still to get this concept "right". And honestly I can't imagine anybody else here that is more anxious to get the Combat Balance here than ME, but whining about it just takes away valuable time from getting work done to communicate the same thing over and over again.





Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

jopenack
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:29 am
#3

No disrespect intended but advising them not to go and read for themselves some of the replies is only keeping people in the dark as to when to expect any documentsfrom the combat revamp. you may think that he was skillful and was giving that person the honor of his presence


I and many others politly disagree he was imature and said in not so many words that there is no documents comming out soon and that he will be discussing releasing them soon


sounds like last winter to me


I'm sorry for posting in the carbineer forums, I believed people who want to read this so as to not think anything was comming soon.


Personally I dont walk to the beat of anyones drum but will read all I can and make my own choices of what to believe and more impotantly what to read.



SHADOWFIRE - MASTER CREATURE HANDLER / MASTER RIFLEMAN

TEMPEST MTK/MD - WANDERHOME MT/MM -???-???

"Creature Handlers are not 1% of the population, they are over the 50% mark, the 1% excuse is a flat out lie"
AdmiralSpy
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:51 am
#4

I don't believe it.


Someone had the chance to have a LIVE chat with TH and ask any questions (with measure), and he/she chose to talk about.. Frenzied Grauls?!


I mean.. come on! It's not that I don't feel for CHs.. Ibecameone after they nerfed the living grauls out of it (er, no pun intended ) and found it to be extremely fun though also unsatisfying.


Wow.. just wow. It would have been nice to see a mature interviewer who could bring up more interesting topics concerning the future state of the game, the Developers vision of what it should be, the migration of a social game to an "end game" combat-focused environment (dwb, corvette, geo caves, Jedi), etc.


But they had to talk about lairs not spawning babies. Sheesh!



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Forever Carbineer
Djena
Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:54 am
#5






jopenack wrote:

No disrespect intended but advising them not to go and read for themselves some of the replies is only keeping people in the dark as to when to expect any documentsfrom the combat revamp. you may think that he was skillful and was giving that person the honor of his presence


I and many others politly disagree he was imature and said in not so many words that there is no documents comming out soon and that he will be discussing releasing them soon


sounds like last winter to me


I'm sorry for posting in the carbineer forums, I believed people who want to read this so as to not think anything was comming soon.


Personally I dont walk to the beat of anyones drum but will read all I can and make my own choices of what to believe and more impotantly what to read.





I went to read the thing myself and TH's replies say absolutely nothing, it's his job to release information at the right time which was not then, all I see is a bunch of replies from people that want to read something bad in there, which is not there at all. The questioner personally assaulted TH in a chat about JtLS, don't expect him to answer anything else there, the questioner got replies which was more than he should haveexpected. The questioner was impolite by doing this and TH's responses were tailored to that.


I don't beat to anyones drum either, but I read what is stated and don't try to read anything else into it, just likethe outrage last tuesday when phase 2 didn't start.The village phases are 3 weeks long, though never was it said that they were 3 weeks long to exactlythe second/minute/hour/day. I don't jump on bandwagons and definitely not on one that tries to start a riot over something that might have been said.




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Nerj
Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:11 pm
#6

Being that most Correspondents who did go to the summit are chomping at the bit to have the info released, check the comando forum. The lack of any info regarding the CombatRevamp is disheartening. Even the new sticky on carbineer issues states pending Combat Revamp changes.The SWG community as a whole has been waiting for these changes for a long time. Remember the answer to most ofTH's 19questions on combat was to "Wait for the revamp". CHers were the only profession "balanced" at the time. This balance has resulted in SOLO grouping and the need for SUPER hard dungeons(corvette and DWB). TH has consistently avoided questions and put the community off constantly. If he stated that the documents would not be released this year, the population would know at least. The reason he won't is that to many people would quit before JTL was released and make their numbers look bad.


Remember for us this is a game, for the DEVs it is their lives. They will definetly misled, dangling the carrot, the population to keep us paying every month. TH's responce in this chat only prove this. In addition, it was touted as a SWG chat not a JTL chat.



Valcyn - Master Marksman Master Commando, Master Smuggler From Tiggs: -- Two words -- Bring it!

WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER, AND WE WILL NOT FAIL

TAfirehawk
Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:36 pm
#7

To clarify: I state things that could be done BEFORE the Combat Balance....nothing to do with pending changes of the Balance itself.


Not to mention this info is from Nova a few months back....



While I understand your frustration.....both sides have valid points....but you have no idea where my position is on this subject unless you are lurking here a lot and reading the last 300-500 posts I have made here....don't assumeI magically "switched sides" when I became Correspondent....



And that chat log from TH can be taken many different ways....is the glass half empty or half full....





Iebas Feania
Former Correspondent of the Former Profession, CARBINEER

Nerj
Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:01 pm
#8






TAfirehawk wrote:

To clarify: I state things that could be done BEFORE the Combat Balance....nothing to do with pending changes of the Balance itself.


Not to mention this info is from Nova a few months back....



While I understand your frustration.....both sides have valid points....but you have no idea where my position is on this subject unless you are lurking here a lot and reading the last 300-500 posts I have made here....don't assumeI magically "switched sides" when I became Correspondent....



And that chat log from TH can be taken many different ways....is the glass half empty or half full....









BTW was a Doc/Carbineer too and read many posts here. That is why I still have a soft spot for this forum. Yes, novamarine did the info a long time ago and to help answer things he would have liked to see in the combat balance as well as ways to make carbineer better. The "TH can be taken many different ways....is the glass half empty or half full...." comment however, would be true ONLY without the history behind it.


As you well know, when the Combat Balance was delayed again, in order to complete JTL, the community had a fit. E-Mails to online mags and retailers caused the combat summit to take place. A number of people closed their accounts. SWG was in a massive bleed. All that has taken place since has been to keep the remaining players on and to keep the flames to a low boil.


The statement "wait for the combat balance" has been replaced by "Wait for the Combat Revamp documents". Hopefully, some sort of vision document will get released shortly. However, I do not believe that the documents themselves will be out till next year. The final revamp probably will not be completed (tested and released) till late March. This is NOT soon and to say so is misleading.


In addition, the Smuggler revamp and the GCW revamp are wayyyyyyyy off. The main page still does not have any info on "in concept" or "in development" areas. BTW -- The last statement there had Pub 11 in March




Valcyn - Master Marksman Master Commando, Master Smuggler From Tiggs: -- Two words -- Bring it!

WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER, AND WE WILL NOT FAIL

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