Carbineer Archive

Hey guys, I am a master weaponsmith from starsider with a question to you all about the elite carbine. I have finally made one that I actually consider to be a nice gun. How would you rate an elite with 103-180 damage at 3.5 speed unsliced? I have had 10 of them on my vendor for who knows how long. Either these weapons are still too far inferior to laser carbines even though it has MUCH more consistent damage or the only thing more rare thana jedi is the carbineer. Your thoughts and responses are appriciated.

i believe thats average for a elite carbine......

My Laser Carb. 130 Min Damage-240 Max Damage 3.1 speed, 25% wound chance unsliced

those are nice stats for an elite... however, the damage per second of the laser is higher. the fact that the laser carbine has better armor piercing really puts the elite at a disadvantage.

i am curious about how your drx6 compares to your elite. from what i understand, both are master level weaponsmith weapons and are about the same difficulty to make. (ie requires the same number of powerhandlers.) on ahazi, the min and max damage of these weapons are about the same. both have the same (light) armor piercing. since everything between the elite and the drx6 is about the same, what puts the drx6 ahead is that it does acid damage.

many people have suggested changing the elite damage type to something like cold or stun.

as for your elite not selling, i have nothing to suggest other than dropping the price. the laser carbine is still the main choice for energy damage.

That is an average elite.

The problem with elites is that everything has energy resist. This makes the AP2 of the laser more important. This is not such an issue with acid or heat as those are often used to hit vulnerabilities.

Saying that it is an "elite" carbine is kind of funny because it doesn't seem very elite at all. I did have one once but it couldn't compair to my Laser Carbine and most people know that, hence, they aren't selling. Another factor to keep in mind is that there are very few Carbineers out there compaired to most other ranged weapon elite professions. Selling Laser's, DXR6's and EE3's is probably your best bet.

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Jedi-Masta wrote:
My Laser Carb. 130 Min Damage-240 Max Damage 3.1 speed, 25% wound chance unsliced

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By any change could this Laser Carbine damage range be off? I have never seen one with minimum unsliced damage that high. A more typical range would be 30-240. If in fact you meant Elite Carbine, that would certainly be a very remarkable crafting job and I am sure there are many who would like to know your vendor waypoint.

right now i'm using 2 base tissue krayt carbines...

laser

3.1, 47-389

and elite

3.1, 132-289.

worked out that the top ends were exactly 100 points different.

i prefer the Elite, believe it or not. the consistency of dmg is crucial in PvP, and i don't like to gamble.

My elite is 133-230 speed 3.6 slice but can't remember of how much.

about the same as i see on intrepid alot, however the speed is good. most of the elites i see are 3.9-4.2 unsliced.

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Auspeks wrote:

right now i'm using 2 base tissue krayt carbines...

laser

3.1, 47-389

and elite

3.1, 132-289.

worked out that the top ends were exactly 100 points different.

i prefer the Elite, believe it or not. the consistency of dmg is crucial in PvP, and i don't like to gamble.

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As is you have this:

• Laser = 3.1, 47 - 389 (70.3 dmg/second, 87.75 dmg/second against light armor)


• Elite = 3.1, 132 - 289 (67.9 dmg/second, 67.9 dmg/second against light armor)

Throw a max damage powerup on there (+30% max damage, +15% min damage) andyou end up with this:

• Laser = 3.1,54 - 506 (90.3 dmg/second, 112.875 dmg/second against light armor)


• Elite = 3.1,152 - 376 (85.2 dmg/second, 85.2 dmg/second against light armor)

With that powerup, how do they compare against heavy armor?

• Laser = 90.3 dmg/second


• Elite = 42.6 dmg/second

The fact that the Laser is AP2 while the Elite is only AP1 really makes all the difference in the world. Against an unarmored opponent, you're giving up 20 damage per second (on average) to the laser. Against a light armored opponent, you're giving up 27 damage per second, and, against a heavy armored opponent, you're giving up 48 damage per second.

Sure, the elite is going to hit more consistently, but it's going to hit for less damage than the laser in the long run. It's your call which gun you'd like to use but, as it stands now, the laser is my gun of choice.

well, i love my elite i got the other day. Its 140 - 207 witha speed of 2.3 ( speed sliced of course )

I really only use the lasor for long range and if the target is AR1 and no vonerability to acid, or if its AR2 or higher. I never use lasor in pvp. far to large a range between max and min. i like predectable output. my lasor i carry is about 30ish - 300ish with 2.9 speed

I carry and EE3, i use this against heat, or unarmored targets, its 80ish - slightly under 200 with a great speed slice bringing it to 1.9.

My DXR6 and Elite are my fav 2 guns. about the same damage, and speed, and ham. I use the DXR6 if im closer then 30 meters or if something is weak against acid and usally in pvp i only use this. My elite i use above 30 meters unless the target is stronger against energy then acid. Im a fan of constant predictable output.

True the elite really isnt that great. It would be REALLY nice if it was stun damage, since most comp armor and alot of mobs are vonerable to it. and AP2 would also be great. then the gun would be perfect in my book.