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Hey All.

Got a little bored and decided, knowing Chimmy was going down, to quickly hop to TC, see if I can't get some numbers on whether Elemental Damage is truly working or not, so I got kitted up, and tested some of the common shots out on the Level 1 critters outside Mos Eisley, And here are the results....

Weapons Used -
Proton Carbine (Looted, Not Froggy)
Base Speed - 2.25
Base Type - Energy
Damage 428 - 855
Elemental Type - Cold
Elemental Damage - 90
Acc. Bonus - 0
Wound 1.6%
Est. Base DPS - 324,89/sec
Range - 0-50m
SAC - 85

Nyms Slugthrower Carbine (Again, Looted/Reward, not froggy)
Base Speed - 2.25
Base Type - Kinetic
Damage 351 - 702
Elemental Type - Acid
Elemental Damage - 171
Acc, Bonus - 0
Wound - 1.7%
Est. Base DPS - 309.78/sec
Range 0-50m
SAC - 82

Template = Master Carbineer/Master Bounty Hunter/Pistols xxx4 (As everyone seems to have it)

Proton Carbine
Advanced Critical Shot - 1714 Total (1624 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)
Advanced Critical Shot w/ +Critical+ - 2120 Total (2030 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)
Improved Leg Shot - 1714 Total (1624 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)
Improved Full Auto Area - 1372 Total (1282 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)
Improved Scatter Shot - 731 Total (641 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)
Ranged Shot - 945 Total (855 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)
Advanced Rapid Fire - 1372 Total (1282 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)
Placed Shot - 1030 Total (940 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)
Overcharge Shot - 1201 Total (1111 Energy Damage + 90 Cold Damage)

Nyms Slugthrower Carbine
Advanced Critical Shot - 1504 Total (1333 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Advanced Critical Shot w/ +Critical+ - 1837 Total (1666 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Improved Leg Shot - 1504 Total (1333 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Improved Full Auto Area - 1224 Total (1053 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Improved Scatter Shot - 696 Total (526 Kinetic Damage + 170 Acid)
Ranged Shot - 873 Total (702 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Advanced Rapid Fire - 1224 Total (1533 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Placed Shot - 943 Total (772 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Overcharge Shot - 1083 Total (912 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)

Template = Master Carbineer/Marksman xx44
Nyms Slugthrower Carbine
Improved Leg Shot - 1504 Total (1333 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Improved Full Auto Area - 1224 Total (1053 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Improved Scatter Shot - 696 Total (526 Kinetic Damage + 170 Acid)
Ranged Shot - 873 Total (702 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Advanced Rapid Fire - 1224 Total (1533 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Placed Shot - 943 Total (772 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)
Overcharge Shot - 1083 Total (912 Kinetic Damage + 171 Acid)

So.. Elemental is working, exactly the same as normal damage - A flat rate of damage, no variation, except for Scatter Shot, which I predict is a bug.

Key Things -
Advanced Rapid Fire - I still think this is meant to be our primary Damage dealing Special, being Advanced and all, but again shows that it is only on par with Improved Full Auto Area.
Improved Scatter Shot - I picked this shot as its the 3xxx Ability, and it still less powerful, more action consuming than the Novice Marksman special, with no noticeable distinction. Also, I repeated to lay 170 Acid Damage from the Nyms, the only special to do this.

I'm still on TC now, Going through a few more specials, hope to add a bit more to this from differing weapons with elemental soon.

Message Edited by Nikeleye on 06-15-2005 03:15 PM

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Got a little bored and deicde,d knowing Chimmy was going down, to quickly hop to TC, see if I can't get some numbers on whether Elemental Damage is truly working or not, so I got kitted up, and tested some of the common shots out on the Level 1 critters outside Mos Eisley, So, here is the results....

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I am sorry to disappoint you, but the way you describe your setup, i can for sure say that your testing is flawed.

All reports we have on elemental damage up to now say:

• elemental damage isSHOWN as ifworking in the combat log


• elemental damage is NOT actually applied to the target

All you did was looking at the combat window if it SAYS that there is elemental damage. Unfortunately, you kill lv. 1 critters already with one shot, so you have no chance to crosscheck on their health bar.

To test correctly you have to:

1. have weapons with very similar or even equal damage ratings but significally different elemental damage ratings.


2. go to high level critters. (Take a mission, so all have the same level. Go for non-social ones, so you have some time and don't need to worry to be attacked by all at once.)


3. disable auto-fire, so you can exactly control how much you fire at the target


4. write down the max health of the target


5. fire ONE shot at the target (best with a keyboard command, so the mouse pointer already can be over the health bar of the target)


6. note the health of the target after you shot at it.


7. repeat steps 4 to 7 with different weapon, so you have numbers for both kathegories

Only then you can see how much damage you actually did on the creature and if elemental damage works.

Sylow is correct, the Combat Log is working but the real damage is not.....

This is an old issue and well documented to the Devs.

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TAfirehawk wrote:

Sylow is correct, the Combat Log is working but the real damage is not.....

This is an old issue and well documented to the Devs.

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As far as I knew, this had been stealth-fixed in Pub18.. Obiviously not. Even so, This does manage to point out the bug with Scatter Shot there, not that i'm trying to resurrect anything from the topic or something...

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Nikeleye wrote:

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TAfirehawk wrote:

Sylow is correct, the Combat Log is working but the real damage is not.....

This is an old issue and well documented to the Devs.

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As far as I knew, this had been stealth-fixed in Pub18.. Obiviously not. Even so, This does manage to point out the bug with Scatter Shot there, not that i'm trying to resurrect anything from the topic or something...

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They tried to fix it but it wasn't done for Publish 18.