Carbineer Archive
Thread: New to Carbineer / questions on SAC
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Aeron-Blackthorn
Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:36 am
#1
Decided to give carbineer another try so I'm looking at outfitting weapons. Right now the carbine I have my low level is 109 which I am fairly certain is a bit on the high side. ideally on a non loot component carbine (grind quality) what sort of sac should I look for when I am making my weapon.
Note: MWS doesn't mean I know a profession well enough to judge what a "good sac" is for a weapon 
Ithilkir
Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:38 am
#2
All craftable carbines have a minimum SAC of 73, so ideally you want 73 SAC 
You can get by on 74/75 but I'd aim for 73.
You can get by on 74/75 but I'd aim for 73.
Aeron-Blackthorn
Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:53 am
#3
Hum.... I'll play around with that a bit then... I'm rather curious on how much it will affect thedamage. I will putz around on it tonight and possible post screenies of my results for your critques.
Sylow
Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:04 am
#4
While some people push to 73 SAC and then still use a SAC PuP, i personally take it a bit more relaxed. I personally found that i can work quite well with a SAC of 80 or below and the use of Accaragm.
Aeron-Blackthorn
Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:31 am
#5
Ican see 80 as well that at least leaves room for some nice damage on the carbine. Traditionally I exp on subs to all about sac (to a -8 actually )and then balance of points left over into speed. Finallyexperimintation on the final assembly would be all damage.
ChefVomit
Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:53 am
#6
For non-enhanced/grind/starter level carbines, I would keep it under 85. SAC pups help a lot. Once a Carbineer finishes off his template and starts acquiring speed SEAs, the SAC becomes more and more important, and he usually has the cash to have an enhanced weapon made. Most carbineers will sacrifice speed to cap out SAC and Damage on a custom weapon.
But for a nice non-enhanced crafted carbine, I would keep the SAC under 85. 80 is better, but 85 should sell.
But for a nice non-enhanced crafted carbine, I would keep the SAC under 85. 80 is better, but 85 should sell.
JoeHeff
Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:59 pm
#7
ChefVomit wrote:
For non-enhanced/grind/starter level carbines, I would keep it under 85. SAC pups help a lot. Once a Carbineer finishes off his template and starts acquiring speed SEAs, the SAC becomes more and more important, and he usually has the cash to have an enhanced weapon made. Most carbineers will sacrifice speed to cap out SAC and Damage on a custom weapon.
But for a nice non-enhanced crafted carbine, I would keep the SAC under 85. 80 is better, but 85 should sell.
On the money with what I've experienced.
I picked up 4 e11 mark2's at around 25k each, max damage was at about 900, sac was about 85, speed 2.34 i think.
What I did is equipped a couple with different pups and one without a pup, and depending on how I wanted to fight, i could easily switch weapons instead of wasting the rest of a pup. i usually ended up using the SAC pup'ed one most often when I was soloing, and the damage pup'edone when i was with a small group or generally needed more damage dealt faster. just used one without a pup when with large/full group. anywho, that's my grinding experience 
Warmaker01
Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:13 pm
#8
Of course, stats vary for the Elite and E11 Mk.II Carbines, depending on the available server resources.
But everyone can typically agree, that the Elite and E11 Mk.II are close in stats. They cap at about 1k max.damage and SAC of 73.
A typically excellent E11 Mk.II or Elite would have something like this:
Damage: mid-400's-1k.
Speed: I believe at about 2.3, but if you're Master Carbineer with good amount of Gen.Ranged Mods, this doesn't matter, really.
Accuracy: I look for 17 at the bare minimum for an excellent Carbine.
Wound: The E11 Mk.II can get to 28-29% Wound, about 10% more than an Elite, from my observations.
SAC: 73 is the best.
But everyone can typically agree, that the Elite and E11 Mk.II are close in stats. They cap at about 1k max.damage and SAC of 73.
A typically excellent E11 Mk.II or Elite would have something like this:
Damage: mid-400's-1k.
Speed: I believe at about 2.3, but if you're Master Carbineer with good amount of Gen.Ranged Mods, this doesn't matter, really.
Accuracy: I look for 17 at the bare minimum for an excellent Carbine.
Wound: The E11 Mk.II can get to 28-29% Wound, about 10% more than an Elite, from my observations.
SAC: 73 is the best.
"If they can be fooled, they can be killed."
Aeron-Blackthorn
Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:55 am
#9
Updated made an ee3 tonight for my toon and got it to nice 79 SAC with reasoinable damage. I'll try to post some screenies for you guys to tear apart tommorow.
I want to thank you guys for all your help, this basically has got me to where I can stock weapons you can actually USE.
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