Carbineer Archive
Thread: How do we compete in upper lvl PvP?!
). %70 Composite armor was considered elite, and buffs were random. Now the majority of the population hasatleast %80 resist armor, and those with stun weapons and poison rule. The simple problem for carbiners is that most can't hit the speed cap, HAM is so outstanding most of us have migrated all our stats into the mind pools and live off buffs, and wejust can't bypass the armor and buffs of other players. The only people I see dominating in PvP are fencers with stun battons, pistol kingsequiped withsonic blastersand eyeshot, riflemen with one of their many stun weapons, and combat medics. It's time to lower the standards on base resistance ofarmor so the rest of the combat professions have a chance, and the game is brought into balance. The slaughtering of high level NPCs and MOBs is also a major problem due to the destruction of the Star Wars vision. Storm Troopers were designed to be quite a challenge in game, and Tusken Warlords were supost to be death. Combat was supost to involve tactics, battlefields, and useful NPC assistance,not number crunching to see whom has the uberist stun rifle. Devs please think about this!
is awesome, powerful in PvE vs. almost any content -- in PvP we lack that panache of mind damage. We have Scatter Blast, which sometimes hits the mind, but when compared to main mind damage dealers (Rifleman, CM, Eye Shot BH/Pistoleers, Heavy Swordsman/TKA) we are lax.
While I mostly agree with Griffin's post, it's not necessarily true that we can't compete in Upper level PvP. It just takes a bit more than simply spamming HeadShot3 or throwing a poison from 80m away.
The BH Carbine/Master Carb. combo, when properly used, is an upper-level PvP template. It's not as easy as the others, but that's where the fun is, after all. I've easily gone against every 'top level template' and have won with this carbine template.
We too can use Synthsteak and KD food, and we too can equip 80% armor (since most of the time, buffs are required 
). So fine, our damage is not pool-specific, but a good posture down is still quite effective. And decent music/dancer buffs can't hurt us either.
No, we cannot PvP very well alone - raiding Bestine, Theed or Coronet on a set of buffs won't get us very far. But couple us with a few others and we are the control force of the group. Even riflemen crave our state/posture changes.
Carbineer alone is a difficult template, and I agree, it's not up to par with the others. But add the BH carbine line and you're firing at the speed cap with weapons that have 3.5 speeds and greater! If we do manage to land a KD, we win.
BountyMelik wrote:
addy, im disappointed in bh/carbineer mix... Im not gonna get into right now but we are giving up a ton of defense (healing ability to) or even a melee class all for one line in bounty hunter.. Begginning to wonder if its all worth it
I agree, partially. The only real benefit of BH carbs is accuracy, that is if you have skill mods and a nice fast carbine. With just carbineer you can pick up almost two entire melee professions and gain a tonof defenses. I dont think master scout and master marksman would be worth it for just the accuracy bonus. Well confusion shot is good too, but you can live without it.
BountyMelik wrote:
addy, im disappointed in bh/carbineer mix... Im not gonna get into right now but we are giving up a ton of defense (healing ability to) or even a melee class all for one line in bounty hunter.. Begginning to wonder if its all worth it
Heh Melik, that's because you went from beingthe very best Pistoleer on SS to Carbineer. You had all sorts of tapes/attachments and the very finest pistols.. and sadly, it's hard to find a high-level carbine like that on SS.
You're most likely used to being a top damage-dealer in PvP, but we carbineers don't have the luxury of EyeShot. You can probably mix Master Carb. with Master Fencer and TKA 4004 and get a more rounded PvP template with a lot of defenses, though without attachments or the BH line, Carbineer will be pretty damn slow.
BH Carbineer is not as effective as BH Pistoleer when it comes to damage. It probably never will be, unless we get some new damage type weapon or a mind-specific hit. But as Carbineers, our role is pretty much one of 'Ranged Melee', that is, to inflict states and to KD/Dizzy like no one else, at a distance.
Griffin is also right in stating that it rocks against NPCs/MOBs. I find it better in PvE than Rifleman. But that's not everyone's cup of tea.
Message Edited by AdmiralSpy on 04-25-2004 05:16 PM
Step 1: Bump the post that is petitioning for a stun carbine.
Step 2: Continue to bump the petition for a stun carbine post.
Step 3: See step 1.
I do pvp alot as a doc/carbineer. 90% of the time if im caught solo in pvp, I usually die to massive mind damage. I can land all the states in the world on them and be lucky if I could get them to KD (thanks to the new food grr). We need some type of weapon that can punch holes through composite. Until then, we just cannot compete. Extra accurcy and speed doesnt mean **edit** when your trying to get past 90% effective composite and doc buffs. All that wasted skill points from BH so you can shoot a tad bit faster and still not damage anyone who is decked on food and equipment for pvp. And all you that claim we are uber solo pvp's, please come and play on Bloodfin. Ive seen a few other servers on how they pvp.... its like the stone ages compared. Im useing probly the best elite carb on the server atm, and it barely scratches in pvp. Not here to flame, but we need help. Pub 7 was a 'fix' (fix meaning we where broken, badly broken) not a luv patch. I dont get how people can say that we got our loving and we are now put back on the fixed shelf. Now that we are partially fixed, finish the job SOE.