Carbineer Archive

Thread: the last straw

Maggottt
Mon Aug 25, 2003 4:52 am
#1

Well i woke up this morning to head to my factory and guess what its not there ..... It could be my fault or a system bug im not sure but my other factory is still arounds so im a bit baffled. Well lost all my Armor modules that were stored in the output hopper and a bunch of other stuff so on that note and with all the problems that keep occuring with the DE profession im hanging up my hat and have put a gone fishing sign on the door.


Good luck all im threw producing crap droids for little or no money ill take my 1 million that i made in this profession and explore the lands now. I will no longer be producing droids on SS so all you up and coming peeps take on my business if you are interested i have about 15 emails waiting on production. Send tell to maggott or an email .



Thanks all


Maggott


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Draelen
Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:15 am
#2

I'm sorry, but I just can't seem to drum up much sympathy for a DE with a million credits in the bank. Sure, it sucks that you lost your factory, but for crying out loud, something must be working right for you.





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Droid_Engineer_Rho
Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:19 am
#3

Was this after the server reset?


If so, your factory is most likely still there, just didn't spawn into place yet.


I had this happen yesterday to me, a couple of hours later when I tried again, my factory was back. I was lucky, in that I KNOW my factory is sitting with a bunch of other structures, and NOTHING was in the immediate vicinity.


Oddly enough, yesterday morning I placed a chemical extractor, and a few minutes later, the server finally got around to showing the one that was already there. Now mine is overlapping someone else's extractor, and I cannot access it to pay maintenance or operate the machinery or anything.


It's all due to bad lag between the databases I think.




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Corothian
Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:08 pm
#4

welp guys i am 2/3 of the way thru carbine and I think I will be dropping it. the republic blaster is what made me make up my mind. I always loved the carbine ,well cause I am freash out of the marines and the specials were a thinking mans type thing imho, I loved using states to basicly debuff. this week i decided to get novice smuggler for a lil dungon romping, so I could get some skill tapes. now omw up the pistol tree I was totally amazed at how fast the xp came, top it all off I can buy a 2.0 spd 200 dmage weapon that seems to hit more then my 1.7 spd 213 dam krayat carbine, and get this 18k for pistol 100k for carbine. and by golly i had a ton of ham left after totally spamming my specials. i have been holding out for fixes, but it is to the point that waiting hads made me so flustered I was going to quit. now I just changed professions and as a novice smuggler- no pistoleer yet- I do better then I ever did as a 2123 carbineer



gl guys and keep up the battle to those who lasted longer then me.


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TheLemming
Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:11 pm
#5

I've become a master smuggler 4 times now...of all the professions, this is the one that I've had the most fun with. I picked it back up after my jedi grind because I had hopes that one day there would be content added to it besides selling gaffi sticks to jawas for a few hundred credits. I had even hoped that smuggler might be reworked to be a somewhat capable combatant without getting TKM... It seemed reasonable to me...to be something more than a slice monkey. I guess I wanted too much.

First I noticed that panic shot was no longer worth putting in my toolbar and spice was worthless since chef foods completely killed the market. Maybe a few people get a muon or a pixie to put in their toolbar for an emergency, but that's about it. Then the notices of delays started hitting, along with requests for issues that need to be fixed...even though they've been listed forever on this forum...

The real kick to the balls came when I got JTL beta... Since I agreed to non-disclosure, I can't say it here, but all the others in beta know what I'm talking about. I discovered it from a thread on this board.

Now, not even feign death is safe. The BH correspondent is getting the development team to nerf a smuggler skill by renewing a bug that let riflemen kill us? Ok, I'm sorry, but this is completely lame. Now that one skill that allowed me to sell faction without getting killed by some noob FOTM out to farm a base will be gone...and without even providing a good reason. FD is not a major problem for BH missions simply because of the skill points required for it.

Let me explain something to those of you that never bothered to check on it. Within a week or two of leveling jedi you'll have all your novice boxes and 2 rows of sabers. At this point, you're basically a moron for still wasting SP on dirty fighting since you will have to gut your melee template (TKM/fencer mods) in order to keep feign death. You need those rows of fencer and TKM to keep from getting ripped to pieces before you get your healing skills and extra toughness from master sabers. I had to go through this since I took 0040 pistoleer for defenses, and at 4004 sabers and the others in novice I was left with a couple rows of fencer and one of TKA. That won't cut it. The punchline here is that even one row of smuggler is only useful for a very short time as a jedi. I'd be willing to bet that most of the BH that complain about jedi using feign death have never had a jedi use it on them.

Basically, I've come back to the profession that I really like only to watch most of the future I hoped to see for it melt away, and reach the point to where token use of one of its key skills by the jedi profession is enough for Tanks to get that skill nerfed in one of the dumbest ways... Need I point out that rifleman is the prof with the posture up, and is one of the least likely profs for a BH to take up? Bringing back this bug wouldn't fix the problem of jedi using it since BH will just complain that they have to call up a rifleman to come to them if a jedi does feign. All it will do is make it so a smuggler trying to save his skin in a bad situation (like selling faction), which...correct me if I'm wrong...is the whole point of the skill, will get killed by the FOTM rifleman/fencer(or tkm).

In conclusion, I just can't take the aggravation anymore. I was channel surfing the other night and came across this show called animal cops (or something like that) where there was a starving, cold, abused dog....I'm pretty sure the footage was from when they had drop shadow removed from the tags for a few days because that had to be a bothan smuggler... The look in his eyes just screamed, "I would damage slice that acklay for you if I could, but the game isn't written that way, please don't yell at me when it goes speed..."

Message Edited by TheLemming on 10-11-2004 07:12 PM




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Road-Kill21
Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:33 pm
#6

Well, I agree with you. Ive been a smuggler for quite some time and feel that nothing has changed for the better. Feign-Death is the only skill we have to save our buts when something goes wrong, and seeing as a Smuggler without any TK/Pistoleer is very vulnerable, I think the skill should be left as is.


My suggestion to fix the problem of BHs complaing about Jedi using FD:


Change the Jedi system so that anyone choosing to go Jedi must "unlearn what they have learned" by dropping all non-Jedi skills when they hit Padawan.


Yeah yeah. I know this will annoy quite a few Jedi, but you MUST remember that the path of the Jedi is long and difficult. Jedi are ruining this game because they want the world today, and feel that they shouldnt have to work for it. If your a Jedi and dont like being hunted down, then don't be a Jedi, simple as that.


I know that being a Jedi is a huge selling point for this game, but if things continue to swing in there favor, the veteran players will leave, and the new players will become feed up in a short period of time and then there is little/no player base left and the game fails.


Before you flame me, know this: I am NOT a Jedi hater because I am not a Jedi. I have NO desire to become a Jedi.


The way things are now is throwing the entire SW Universe on its head and needs to be corrected. Jedi should be fearful of anyone knowing of their existance. Player Jedi should be hunted by NPCs as well as other players. Jedi is a PvP directed profession. Don't want to PvP, play the Jedi Knight Series. Excellent Jedi fun with no monthly fee or XP loss.


I feel that this game should have been set in an earlier time frame. KOTOR is a wonderful example. A time period that is not set in stone by books/movies and that is open to anything. Jedi everywhere as part of a daily life, but not so powerful as to upset the balance of power with other professions.


One last point: Jedi actions. Not like skills/abilities, but the way they act. Any Light Jedi must be calm, wise, and passive. Dark Jedi are aggressive and greedy. Yes there are exceptions, but you know what I mean.

There are too many Light Jedi who have a mouth on them. Insulting, aggressive, and unpleasent. Not qauilities of a Light Jedi. I have not had the opportunity to meet a Light Jedi who acts as a Light Jedi, but I hope there are some out there. Light Jedi need guidance. I'm sick of 12 year old Jedi talking trash, when they should be representing peace and order.


/sigh

Jedi just might be the EndGame for players sick of 12 year olds. Can we have a server for Adult players? Not too much to ask is it?



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TheLemming
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:01 pm
#7

Let's not start on the jedi discussion. I tried to show how and why this is a lame excuse for nerfing our skill. It's not viable for nearly all of the jedi out there. The real issue is how smugglers have always and will always be the ones to get beat with the nerf bat when another class complains about something. I'm sure it'll be coming soon when people complain about the TKA dizzy/KD (again) and the solution will be to turn low blow into a posture down with a timer since TKA is far too important to be nerfed... I still don't understand why it turns out this way, but it's just annoying as heck...

I could go on and rip up the bit about dropping all other skills and how jedi should be hard and just say that it is. It's harder than it should be for what you get from it. But again, this is about how smuggler is the whipping boy. It needs to stop. It has nothing to do with how the skills are being misused even. It has everything to do with the mentality that has the immediate reaction "fix it? come up with a solution that solves the problem without effecting a working aspect of another profession? screw that! we'll just nerf it. Not like those slice monkeys need feign death to slice..."




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Geevo
Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:05 pm
#8

I would say lets have some hope that the end of the FD issues comes quickly, and that the profession is intact.


Regardless, the Combat Revamp and Smuggler Ravamp I am sure will make you happy (Yes I have a lot of faith).



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Ribo_Flavin
Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:18 pm
#9

I doubt it would ever happen, but if Smugglers were to band together and suspend all slicing operations as a protest, maybe something would happen. That's something that would have a big impact in-game, as it's the only Smuggler service that everyone wants. I don't see that happening, though.

Barring that, there's not much you can do.





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SnowTigre
Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:38 am
#10






Ribo_Flavin wrote:
I doubt it would ever happen, but if Smugglers were to band together and suspend all slicing operations as a protest, maybe something would happen. That's something that would have a big impact in-game, as it's the only Smuggler service that everyone wants. I don't see that happening, though.

Barring that, there's not much you can do.






To let you Know I run arround with my master Smuggler Tag All the Time Now.. If osmeone ask for a Slice I give them 2 option's.. Pay me 50k per Slice or find someone else.. If they ask Why I charge so much I tell them this is my form of protest.. If they ask protest of WHAT I explain to them about how smuggler is Bugged and not Working and let them think of that.. If I don't Slice their Gear I don't Complain I make my money from selling Resources anyway..


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Sunrunner_Rove
Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:29 am
#11






Ribo_Flavin wrote:
I doubt it would ever happen, but if Smugglers were to band together and suspend all slicing operations as a protest, maybe something would happen. That's something that would have a big impact in-game, as it's the only Smuggler service that everyone wants. I don't see that happening, though.

Barring that, there's not much you can do.





We can't even get all the smuggler's to stop using the PUP exploit so I see no hope of convincing them all to stop slicing all together.
Capt_Baobab
Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:59 am
#12

ummm.. not to urinate in someones canteen, but the last hotfix removed the P-up exploit. i've tried it, and many others have as well, and it's no longer working..

clicky



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Arcan
Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:40 pm
#13

I still don't see why they don't just move FD up the DF tree, start it at DF3 or even make it a Master skill.

Lets face it, all those little +'s in the tree mean nothing anyway so it does not matter where it starts, except for the benifit it gives in grinding the Pistol xp.


But if we really wish to avoid a total nerf, then the Master box would be the ideal spot for it and would instantly stop Jedi from taking it. I doubt if ANY Jedi would waste the points just for one ability.
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