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Thread: MACHINE GUNS FIRE FASTER THEN PISTOLS.

forgoten
Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:46 pm
#1

generally a machine gun will shoot faster then a pistol am i correct on this? hmm to me carbines should shoot faster then pistols. (at the cost of accuracy mentioned b4 by someone else well said) we are mass firepower with state controls.



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Xieflow
Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:10 pm
#2

We don't use machine guns. We use assault rifles.

You know, like an AK47.

Which is why we've got "Burstshot" "Fullauto" etc.

Riflemen use sniper rifles.

Pistoleers use quick-fire small arms.
BZebub
Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:27 pm
#3

carbineer attacks generally have multiple bolts in one shot. so while you are shooting more 'bullets', each individual attack style (special attack) has a longer delay in-between than a pistol, which can be quickly maneuvered to change your attack style (special attack).
CairnTrenor
Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:23 am
#4

Don't compare real life weaponry with SW:G weaponry, it has got very little in common.



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SpungeBob
Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:24 am
#5

Well then what are we supposed to compare them to? The names are pistol, carbine and rifle. I think a RL comparison is almost a given.

Here was the original post where Carbines are compared to SUB-Machine guns.


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=carabineer&message.id=26288#M26288

Message Edited by SpungeBob on 04-05-2004 08:28 AM



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TrekDude
Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:37 pm
#6






Xieflow wrote:
We don't use machine guns. We use assault rifles.

You know, like an AK47.

Which is why we've got "Burstshot" "Fullauto" etc.

Riflemen use sniper rifles.

Pistoleers use quick-fire small arms.






You guys use carbines and SMGs. Like the M4, aks-74u, mp5 etc. Your titles are special ops/forces titles (assaulter, marauder, INFILTRATOR), whichprimarily use carbines and SMGs.


Rifleman use the assault RIFLES.The E-11 rifle is the M-16 of the starwars universe. The T21 is the SAW of the starwars universe. We are getting a shotgon looking weapon soon, have the laser rifle(like the M-14 or something like that)


Everyone instantly thinks we use sniper rifles, that's not right. We only have two ACTUAL sniper rifles, the tusken and DXR6-b.



Rifleman should be the most rounded fighter, thegrunt, whousually goes full auto or shoots bursts with theirE-11ASSAULT RIFLES or T21 HEAVY ASSAULT RIFLE.Or we can switch to semi auto mode and shootprecisly aimed shots.


Carbineers should be upclose/urbanspecial forces fighters who sneak in to tear you apart inside buildings and in urban enviroments.

Message Edited by TrekDude on 04-05-2004 05:39 PM



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SpungeBob
Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:43 pm
#7

Yup gotta agree. Cabine does in fact equal a SMG. Now having said that, what do you think should shoot faster? A pistol or a SMG?Im thinking a SMG. If you think pistol, please post why.



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Godswarrior493
Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:06 pm
#8

well, yea we do need speed. I agree were SMGs...


but for a previous post from trek...where the hell do you get the idea that a T21 is a SAW? A SAW inst a rifle its a heavy machine gun.


A t21 somehow reminds me more if a Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle.



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Xieflow
Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:48 pm
#9

Rifleman use the assault RIFLES. The E-11 rifle is the M-16 of the starwars universe. The T21 is the SAW of the starwars universe. We are getting a shotgon looking weapon soon, have the laser rifle(like the M-14 or something like that)

Carbineer has an E11 that shoots *MUCH* faster than the E11, with lower damage.

The... "problem" about rifleman and the misconception you are using assault rifles over sniper rifles is the fact that riflemen have pretty insane speed mods.

From my understanding from several master riflemen, a rifleman firing a T21 with around a speed of 7.0 will hit the speed cap.

However, if you ignore stats on the classes, and just look at the weapon stats themselves, it works out like :

Pistoleer : very quick firing, low damage (0.5 as to 2.0 max? Not sure, don't make many pistols anymore, pistoleer isn't FOTM anymore, it's Rifleman now)
Carbineer : Ranges from quick firing to slow firing (1.5 or so AS to 5.0 AS). Medium damage
Rifleman : slow firing to even slower firing. Some rifles come out with speeds over 6.0.

I don't know exact stats and min/max on most weapons off the top of my head, however I made a few Tusken Rifles recently : AS 5.6 , 182 - 295 damage. That's slow and hard hitting.
Cardco2
Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:51 pm
#10

accualy we use CARBINES. wich are basicaly short rifles. our guns look more like assualt rifles though. that is not right. rifles should look like ours and ours should all have smaller stocks, or foldable stocks like the M1A1 carbine of WW2. carbines were and are used by spec ops forces like FBI, or SWAT teems. somecombat engineer teems to. or paratroopers of WW2. carbineer should be spec ops troops. highly dangferouis fast shooting fighters that can take and hold a starport in, bestine for example for like 20 minuts to an hour easy with like 6-14 guys. half at each door pinning and kiling all who try to retake it. and be there waiting for the main fortces(ie rifleman) to arive.



fast hiting, fast capturinbg troops. reed my article here:


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=game_guides&message.id=152613




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rhian_tarq
Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:14 am
#11

Rifles are machine guns +90 speed....we fire uhhh I donno slow reloading thingies....



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thepunisher286
Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:39 pm
#12



Sub-Machine guns are fully automatic firearms that use pistol ammunition ( mp5, or the m2 ) so that throws the term out of SWG.


Carbines are a shorter version of a rifle. Take an M16, a5.56x45mm cartidge firing weapon. That is considered a rifle. An M-4 would be a carbine, firing the same ammunition as the M16. It is essentialy the same weapon, but with a shorter barrel. If I were to take a Laser Rifle and cut the barrel in half, it would be considered a carbine version of the Laser rifle. Therefore a laser carbine should be equal to a laser rifle, BUT , for balance sakes, Carbineers in the game is the middle ground between the Fast but weaker pistols, and the Slow but stronger rifles.


Unforunatly, any concept of this balance is thrown out the window when rifleman are capable of firing at the speed cap in the game.


All of them take the same number of skill points, there for, they should all be equaly powerfull, with pros and cons balancing each other out.



Rifleman now want to be looked as the "Combat grunt". but what role does that leave Carbineer? Carbineer should be middle ground, versatile class that can fight any range, but never being better at distance than rifle, or close range than pistol. What would carbineers havewhen Rifleman hit the speed cap AND have stronger weapons? Is that realy fair and balanced? Im not an M carbineer yet ( slowly but surely when im on ) but what does carbineer have that justifies thier position in comparison to Rifleman?
KeseeroGuan
Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:37 am
#13

In regards to the riflemen getting a shotgun-esque weapon, carbineers already have one, the EE3 is a shotgun. The only non throwable weapon in the game with an AOE mod.



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