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Thread: Carbineer needs a stun weapon for PvP

twosweeeeeeeeet
Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:13 am
#1

Carbineers need stun weapons for PvP, melee prof have them, Pistoleer have them, and riflemen have them, those of us who do not are inefective in PvP really with the good buffs and the so called capped defense stackers that are really not nerf'd.



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CairnTrenor
Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:25 am
#2

It is armor that needs to be fixed, giving everyone a stun weapon is not the solution. And for melee professions it's only fencer that got a stun weapon and it's ap0 the same as both type of stun pistols. These are easily countered with having stun layers in your armor. As for the riflemen, they are the only prof that gets a ap1 stun weapon and add that to their ability to hit the unhealable pool gives them a clear advantage over everyone else.

It is not stun damage in itself that is overpowered it's more of an armor problem. Giving everyone stun weapons would be nothing but a temporary fix at best. There is much that needs to be done about combat to make it more fun for everyone. As it is now the mind is pretty much the only pool to hit as health and action can be healed easily. Personally I think the only prof that should be able to heal in combat should be combat medics, not just everyone with novice medic.



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twosweeeeeeeeet
Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:43 am
#3

I have stun armor of 49% and I still attack the mind becasue it is the easiest to drain, melee is tough for range prof, hell I seen jedi take on TKM for 30 min and both give up becasue they can't touch Health and Action becasue they regen to fast



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Confusion12345
Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:00 pm
#4

They gave composite armor too many damn defenses, and high ones too.....In my opinion, the more damage types an armor defends against, the lower their defense against them should be.



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pentjaksilat
Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:15 pm
#5

"melee have them"

only fencer has a stun weapon...the ap0 stun baton.

the last thing i want to see is everyone running around w/ "uber" armor and trashy stun weapons...just b/c that's what the armor vulnerability is geared toward. fix armor, fix buffs. don't give everyone the exact same cookie-cutter PVP design.

~pentjak



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Bennyboy4308
Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:55 pm
#6


pentjaksilat wrote:
"melee have them"
only fencer has a stun weapon...the ap0 stun baton.
the last thing i want to see is everyone running around w/ "uber" armor and trashy stun weapons...just b/c that's what the armor vulnerability is geared toward. fix armor, fix buffs. don't give everyone the exact same cookie-cutter PVP design.
~pentjak





But there is no other way to be successful. Against 90% armor there is only one strategy to win, and thats to use stun.

Edit: Whats stragy mean?

Message Edited by Bennyboy4308 on 04-07-2004 06:23 PM



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pentjaksilat
Wed Apr 07, 2004 2:04 pm
#7






Bennyboy4308 wrote:





pentjaksilat wrote:

"melee have them"

only fencer has a stun weapon...the ap0 stun baton.

the last thing i want to see is everyone running around w/ "uber" armor and trashy stun weapons...just b/c that's what the armor vulnerability is geared toward. fix armor, fix buffs. don't give everyone the exact same cookie-cutter PVP design.

~pentjak







But there is no other way to be successful. Against 90% armor there is only one stragy to win, and thats to use stun.




yup, against buffed 90% armor...80% even for us...there's no way to win w/out stun.


the problem i see w/ that statement is the armor part, not the lack of stun...armor makes PVP too defensive/stun-based, and makes PVE a joke for a handful of professions that can tank anything w/ it. and i mean anything. decrease buff/armor effectiveness, and mix up some vulnerabilities into composite that it currently doesn't have, and you have a much more dynamic system than handing everyone a stun weapon.


~pentjak





retired: 09/02/'04.
RIP Dunadan
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Talset11
Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:05 pm
#8

True enough, armor is overpowered. However which is easier to address short term? I say give everyone a stun weapon to put everybody on an even playing field while they address the larger armor problems. Really do you want to deal with the way it is now for several months while they tinker around with armor? I sure dont.



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OnlyMaestro
Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:08 pm
#9

Imagine if Carbineers had been working in the days of 30/40% Composite....



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