Carbineer Archive
Thread: Carbineer Issues Designer responses
The ineffectiveness of some weapons (Elite carbine and DXR6) leaves little room for variety.
The problem with the Elite and Carbine is that they don't have anywhere near the same damage capability of other ranged weapons. They are more difficult to craft than a laser carbine, but the laser carbine is a much better weapon. I have a FWG5 Pistol, it was crafted by a master weaponsmith with no enhancements and then sliced 30% for speed. It has max damage of 199 and a speed of 1.2. My DXR6 was also crafted by a master weaponsmith, with no enhancements and sliced 35% for speed. It has a max damage of 298 and speed 3.8. But it also has an armor piercing of light. Without using my specials the pistol is much better than the carbine. And I am using the pistol as a Expert pistol, while I am a Novice Carbineer. I still deal more damage to my target with the pistol. I have a laser carbine that I use instead of the DXR6. The pistol is still better than my laser carbine, probably because of the very wide range of damage. 28 - 258 damage with a speed of 4.1 (not sure what the slice was, probably damage). But it is better than the DXR6 because it is medium armor piercing. The DXR6 and Elite are both light armor piercing. Also, the HAM cost using the pistol is almost 1/3rd what it costs to use the pistol. So I can do many more specials at a faster rate than with any of the carbines.
My point is this, my impression from the answer to thiscomment above was that you wanted specfic reasons we believe that the DXR6 and Elite are not as effective as other weapons. DXR6 and Elite Carbines are more difficult to make, they are slower, have a higher HAM cost, and a lower AP rating than the laser carbine. I don't think they need a heavy AP rating, but they should be at least medium, and they should be more efficient weapons than the laser carbine.
Groth wrote:
Not to be the Antagonist here. (don't know if i spelled that right), but you all need to relax, even though i see where you are coming from,....do any of you have computer engineering degrees? Do you all know what line of code needs to be changed what zero to change to a one and so forth? I say lay down your complaints and take note, but don't complain. The whining is ridiculous grow up. If you don't like the game then stop playing for a while and get back on and see if its fixed in a few months. Or are you addicted to the game. If so then look into a hotline.
The Guy lookin' out for the developers
ps- i agree with all their complaints though
Hey Groth, I think a better question would be "Do any of the Devs have computer engineering degrees? Do any devs know what line of code needs to be changed. Do any of the Devs know which zero needs to be changed to a one and so forth?" I don't need an engineering degree to see what's wrong with the class that I'm playing. Also, I'm not responsible for programming the game so your question is misdirected as it is phrased in your post. As for not liking the game and not playing anymore, I never said I didn't like the game, though I appreciate your point of view when applied to those who don't like it. Keep in mind that I'm not even asking for the devs to fix our class! I'm asking for a response that Q-3PO said he would give up 2 months and 12 days ago. I don't even care if the response is "we've decided that none of your concerns are valid and carbinir is exactly where we want it to be." That, at least,lets me know to move over to pistol.
As for the laying down of our complaints, and feeling as though the whining is ridiculous, I can only say this: If you let people walk on you, you deserve to be treated like dirt. I will continue lodging complaint after complaint until I have nothing more to complain about. Hopefully YOU will benifit from it. Now if you can just show some respect for the people that have the courageto force issues to the surface, instead of calling them whiners, you may understand what the maturity you are asking for actually is. Children need other people to take care of them.
Posted: 06/25
Current date: 10/25
Time passed: 4 months
Carbineer problems fixed: 0
Responses/communications from the DEVs: 0
Big thanks to SOJ for compiling these issues. Here are the designers’ responses to the top 5 issues (option 6th is the Correspondent’s pet issue). We have 32 professions to get through so we apologize for the brevity of the answers.
1) Special Moves – LegShot3, BurstShot2, Crippling Shot, SupressionFire 2 are not working properly and/or not performing as well as their predecessors.
We’ll investigate this and check back with you. (4 months and counting, how long does it take to investigate? 4 months, no response, no reply, no communication, nothing. This is ridiculous.)
- Legshot 3 still = Legshot 2, same exact shot.
- Suppression fire 2 still = Suppression fire 1, it just takes a million more xp.
- Full auto attacks still do not dizzy, or if they do it lasts 0 seconds. Status effects rarely are applied, unlike other professions such as the BH scatter blast where and confusion shot where all status effects are applied on the first shot.
- Area attacks still only work the second time you shoot them, after you have aggroed everything on top of you. The first use only applies damage to the first target.
- Charge shot 2 still does not KD anything, does not KD a cone, and is pretty much a low damage area effect burst shot. Our most powerful and desired special, and it does not and has never worked.
- Area attacks still invoke an auto response attack in PvP hence using them is instant death.
2) Carbine HAM issues -Carbines have too high of a HAM cost and do not compare to pistol or rifle. This also applies to carbines that do not require stocks.
We’ll investigate the HAM costs of carbines. (4 months...)
- HAM costs are still absurd considering the lack of damage output we have. Pistoleers are doubling our damage with ease, AR rating has no real benefit in PvP since nobody wears armor and the damage increase does not have any effect from higher AP weapons.
- We can literary take ourselves out of the fight in less than 10 seconds. In PvE pistoleers are spaming shots for double our damage and suffering very little HAM cost, we are getting out damaged and it costs us more HAM. Riflemen have HAM issues, but they also put out insane amounts of damage. Riflemen and Pistoleers can both one shot kill people in PvP with reliable frequency, Carbineers can rarely if ever one shot kill, and then, only if the target is KD.
3) Carbine Defense modifications for Carbineers do not match those of the pistoleers or rifleman. Counterattack does not work well and should be examined for effectiveness.
We’ve made some changes, and we’ll re-examine once they are implemented.
- TC has pistoleers getting a huge buff to KD resistance, and Riflemen getting a huge buff to ranged /melee defense. Carbineers get intimidation defense, which is rarely, if ever applied to them, and if something can get close enough to intimidate them, they are already dead.
- TC has Carbineers getting a buff to counter attack, but it is still broken.
4) Variety The ineffectiveness of some weapons (Elite carbine and DXR6) leaves little room for variety.
We’ll look into this. But how is it less effective?
- Eliete carbine still has exceedingly poor damage and speed, and since it is an energy based weapon it has no practical advantage over either a DH17 or a Laser Carbine. The AP1 it has counts for little or nothing.
- Eliete carbine is still by far the worst of the eliete guns (T21, DX2, Scatter pisol), those also suffer from their problems but at least the T21 has huge AP, DX2 & Scatter have AP and acid damage.
- DXR6 while having acid damage which is nice, still lacks the damage or either a DH17 or Laser Carbine, and it is also the slowest of al the carbines.
- EE3 still does not have its 3m splash damage which it was supposed to have, hence it is another low damage low speed AP0 weapon. Heat is nice, but it can't dish out any respectable damage and there for can not compete with the DH17 or the Laster Carbine.
5) Carbineer Consistent spelling of the profession Carbineer.
We will do this in a future update. We are also changing this forum title to reflect your desire. (FYI Carabineer is correct, but Carbineer is an acceptable alt that you all seem to prefer)
- This just goes to drive home how little we get looked at and what a low priority we are. That some DEV can't even go through and spell everything consistently doesn't impress us very much.
There are still inconsistencies.
6) Defense Carabineer needs better defenses. It loses against Bounty Hunter and pistoleers when using carbines.
We’ll also re-examine this looking for balance.
- I don't care how much the BH whine and moan about all the SP they spend, when going 1 vs 1, carbine vs carbine, a BH with carbine 4 should rarely beat a master Carbineer.
- Our master title specifically says "A master Carbineer is UNEQULED in their abilities with carbine weapons" yet we are not only equaled, but dominated by a BH with only BH carbine 4.
The problem is, they dont care! All their attention goes to the CHbecause carabineer and SO MUCH other proffesions where broken and CH was more appealing so more people played CH so the devs wanted to please those people because they'd lose to much subscriptions and then less and less people started playing carabine and other proffesions (SL, BE, DE) making it seem less important to fix the other classes. I bet there's just200 players with a carabine on every server left or something...
I have the worst luck. Before I actually played the game I decided that I was going to be a Ranger/Carbineer. OMG!! I picked two of the worst professions. IT took them forever but they gave Ranger something useful, tracking. Now all we can hope for is that they fix carbines. It is INSANE that a BH can be better than us with our own weapon. I hope all of this is fixed soon.
Are we currently taking any bets as to when they will get to this?
they fixed the spawning of gm's but now they wanna slaughter the CH profession. I think that if these devs actaully took the time and did everything that they said they would on each post, month by month, and it actually happend, then this game is worth it. Hell it would be one one of the best MMORPG's out there
butwhy use something that gives you more headaches, maybe they should have had a beta, an extensive one instead of having us pay 16 bucks for them to go back on what we look at, as there word. god i hope ff11 is what i hope, and not the shell of a dream like swg is.....
Developers cared about DE's and Chefs, but no Carabineers.
Even our classes are spelled wrong, we're forgotten.
absolutely right kyller_relic...what happened to all the 'investigations'? ham costs are still high and charge shot 2 is STILL broken...sheesh.