Carbineer Archive
Thread: can someone plz tell me why you think the dxr carb is better than the laser carb?
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novamarine
Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:29 am
#14
weaponmaster88 wrote:
i personally dueled another carbineer and i used a DXR6 and he used a laser.... we both had mitigation 3 he was a MBH/carbineer i was 0 4 4 1 BH master carbineer so we were almost identical. both with composite armor, and he murdered me. it wasn't even close. i win most of my duels, but this was horrible, the laser ripped me to peices, and my DXR6 wasn't even hurting him. just my experience
Skill set has little to do with this.
How did your armor compare. Saying you both have composite means nothing. What protection did they have?
Did you use a PSG?
Katal
Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:05 am
#16
He could have had some insanely good looted or krayted Laser as well.
MoonhellWarriors
Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:09 am
#17
reasons are simple....
Laser Carbine is slower and the range mod is not as good as a DXone.
PVP relies on: do not miss your shot....
Laser carbine will often miss compared to DX.... plus the mitigation... well your not doing alot od damage here. If you however have a speed cap then Laser becomes the king, simply because you can use any moves at a 1 sec cooldown.
I personally used only laser carbines and I was doing great 
Besides.... pvp is based on survival.. not on how much damage you can do.
Besides.... pvp is based on survival.. not on how much damage you can do.
YamadaMan
Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:25 am
#18
Rarool wrote:
YamadaMan wrote:
no need to master carbines for PvP, you'd rather stick with single specials and defensive lines, my PvP template is the following:
BH 0440
Carbineer 3440
Pistoleer 0044
Rifleman 0004
(scout 4030 just in case there's some good organic shift out there)Can someone splain to me how this template works? I don't get it. Low counter attack. No dodge.
Plus couldn't you just drop the harvesting line and get a droid?
Not trying to flame just understand... thx in advance.
no offense taken
as said, while most PvP templates are 70% defense 30% offense, this one is 50/50 or even 60% offense 40% defense, another style.
Romiezeus
Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:50 am
#19
The minimum damage is the curse of the laser carbine, that much is true. Something else you may want to consider though is a Krayt DH-17. I carry one on each server that I have a carbineer/BH or just a Master Carbineer. High damage output, excellent speed and a nice "go-to" gun to have on your person. No real downside to having one and just another killer weapon in your arsenal, and yes they are proven effective in PVP.
SanktioRendorf
Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:26 pm
#20
i have an elite dx6 and a laser.
i use my laser the most. someone had said that a psg makes a difference when vs someone who has it. neg. cripple shot breaks most psgs in 1-2 hits.
the medium ap is what makes it rock.
to my understanding if you have a higher ap rating than the armor rating it is -25% to whatever resist you're firing at.
so if the armor is 80% energy. that laser will be hitting at 55% energy armor. on my server (kettemoor) most people pvp in 66% base unsliced armor.
even with a weak slice and it hits 75.... that's 75% resist vs acid... with a lower damage weapon.
i'd rather use my 622 max laser and only have a 55% resist to my shots than use a **edit** stain 150-300 dx6 and fire at armor with 75% resists.
=)
-dahv e
TAfirehawk
Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:49 pm
#21
SanktioRendorf wrote:
i have an elite dx6 and a laser.
i use my laser the most. someone had said that a psg makes a difference when vs someone who has it. neg. cripple shot breaks most psgs in 1-2 hits.
the medium ap is what makes it rock.
to my understanding if you have a higher ap rating than the armor rating it is -25% to whatever resist you're firing at.
so if the armor is 80% energy. that laser will be hitting at 55% energy armor. on my server (kettemoor) most people pvp in 66% base unsliced armor.
even with a weak slice and it hits 75.... that's 75% resist vs acid... with a lower damage weapon.
i'd rather use my 622 max laser and only have a 55% resist to my shots than use a **edit** stain 150-300 dx6 and fire at armor with 75% resists.
=)
-dahv e
1. The Imp PSG has enough condition to last for DOZENS and DOZENS and DOZENS of CripplingShots from even a Legendary Laser Carbine......I would guess at least 5 min of speed capped firing but never tested it exactly.
2. The AP/AR ratio does not change the resistance of the armor.
3. A Laser and DXR6 of equal quality must be compared, not an Uber Laser vs. an average DXR6.
4. Other factors matter, like Ranged Damage Mitigation and targets template.
I just happen to have a Laser and DXR6 made of the same materials and receiving the same slice.....Laser is 80/480 and the DXR6 is 163/350.
I am used to 80% Comp with 40% Stun and PSG with 60% Stun and 40% Energy......the Laser will hit for79 DPS and the DXR6 will hit for 96 DPS, which is 21.5% more.....and if you figure in Mitigation the Laser is MUCH worse too.
Now to the -25% for the AP/AR on resists.....the Laser figured the "regular" way has 131 DPS without a PSG and the -25% way it has 210 DPS.....I am 99% sure this -25% method is wrong based on in-game numbers.
Sorry, but you have been led to believe two very false rumors, 1) PSG's get destoyed in 2 shots and 2) AP/AR can be applied to resist % on armor......but somebody should check my math as I am watching TV while doing this
Message Edited by TAfirehawk on 08-27-200407:50 PM
Message Edited by TAfirehawk on 08-27-2004 07:50 PM
Nadiel26
Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:26 am
#22
i haven't done tests but all PSGs are vuln to acid and kinetic. my DX is like 205-305. it's not loot made and i was thinking about adding a min damage pup and onlyusing it in group PvP where you can obviously see stun having no effect on a player. take out the acid weapons and kill their PSGs my AS makes 39% stun 69% base armor and the encumb is insane but it's well worth it since you have a better chance of getting decent resists on the rest. also dont forget PSGs are sliceableto make stun completely useless 
my AS makes 39% stun 69% base armor and the encumb is insane but it's well worth it since you have a better chance of getting decent resists on the rest. also dont forget PSGs are sliceableto make stun completely useless
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