Carbineer Archive
Thread: Counter Attack, what does it do exactly?
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TAfirehawk
Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:30 am
#14
But the fact remains, Dodge works twice as much, 200% of what Counterattack does with each at the Master Level.....
TAfirehawk
Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:44 am
#15
Glad to see the One-Star Bandit is sneaking around and giving me LOVE again.....
Coward....
But probably just a jealous 10 year old.....since I know how this game really works 
EisMan_Buckeye
Wed Sep 01, 2004 8:50 pm
#16
I did some "unofficial" testing (I was just messing around with friends dueling), and after reading the combat log, I'm not sosure counterattack is as broken as everyone claims it is. Sure, even with the same skill mod for counterattack and dodge, it is said that dodge still seems to fire more frequently, but I did notice something that makes CA a little better than dodge (assuming it fired at the same rate). My buddy and myself are both speed capped, he a pistoleer,andIa carbineer/BH. Whenever I counterattacked, I also fired an attack at the exact same timestamp just about every time. With dodge, my buddy "lost" an attack round every time he dodged. This is to say, that when someone dodges, they are not attacking at the same time. I believe this is what the description of CA means when it describes being able to "fire back" at a target.
I have recently converted my alt character into a Master Weaponsmith, and have been devoting much of my in game time to getting my new business up and running. Due to this, and the fact that all of this may very well change in the future, I do not really have the desire to test this more thoroughly. In anticipation for the upcoming sandbox, I would like to spend some enjoyable time in game, not testing anything, that way, IF I am picked to participate, I will not have any type of "burnt out" feeling towards testing. If anyone else would care to test this out, feel free, it would be nice to see what other people feel about counterattack.
TAfirehawk
Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:29 am
#17
EisMan_Buckeye wrote:
I did some "unofficial" testing (I was just messing around with friends dueling), and after reading the combat log, I'm not sosure counterattack is as broken as everyone claims it is. Sure, even with the same skill mod for counterattack and dodge, it is said that dodge still seems to fire more frequently, but I did notice something that makes CA a little better than dodge (assuming it fired at the same rate). My buddy and myself are both speed capped, he a pistoleer,andIa carbineer/BH. Whenever I counterattacked, I also fired an attack at the exact same timestamp just about every time. With dodge, my buddy "lost" an attack round every time he dodged. This is to say, that when someone dodges, they are not attacking at the same time. I believe this is what the description of CA means when it describes being able to "fire back" at a target.
I have recently converted my alt character into a Master Weaponsmith, and have been devoting much of my in game time to getting my new business up and running. Due to this, and the fact that all of this may very well change in the future, I do not really have the desire to test this more thoroughly. In anticipation for the upcoming sandbox, I would like to spend some enjoyable time in game, not testing anything, that way, IF I am picked to participate, I will not have any type of "burnt out" feeling towards testing. If anyone else would care to test this out, feel free, it would be nice to see what other people feel about counterattack.
Glad to see somebody else report this besides me.....I have been saying that for months but didn't have any hard evidence.....
I did some hunting and found some screenies of chat logs that also confirm that I don't lose a attack round when Counterattack activates 
Message Edited by TAfirehawk on 09-02-2004 10:10 AM
EisMan_Buckeye
Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:52 am
#18
TAfirehawk wrote:
Glad to see somebody else report this besides me.....I have been saying that for months but didn't have any hard evidence.....
I did some hunting and found some screenies of chat logs that also confirm that I don't lose a attack round when Counterattack activates
Well, if we both seem to be seeing the same thing, I think that's 99% proof.
I'll take an engineer's "unofficial" testing method to a leet dude's crying to get something fixed just because they want it to work better any day. 
TAfirehawk
Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:24 am
#19
EisMan_Buckeye wrote:
TAfirehawk wrote:
Glad to see somebody else report this besides me.....I have been saying that for months but didn't have any hard evidence.....
I did some hunting and found some screenies of chat logs that also confirm that I don't lose a attack round when Counterattack activates
Well, if we both seem to be seeing the same thing, I think that's 99% proof.
I'll take an engineer's "unofficial" testing method to a leet dude's crying to get something fixed just because they want it to work better any day.
/deepbow
My testing was from a few weeks ago, right after Publish 9 came out....
EisMan_Buckeye
Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:54 pm
#20
jontao wrote:
I'm a Master Carbineer/BH. I never tested counter attack as you did, but I have the combat spam come up on my chat window, and I do notice that I do counter attack. Some times more than others, but I have seen it "fire" three times back to back. It's good to hear that someone tested it.
One thing I will talk to on this is the fact that as a Master Swordsman (+110 CA), CA seems to fire a LOT more than as a Master Carbineer (+105 CA). Being the analytical type that I am, I take great advantage of being able to color sentences based on key phrases (chat color in the options screen). I have tons of triggers for various things, like bleed shots, counterattack, dodge, healing, etc. Having those things stand out with different colors in the combat logreally helps me pay attention to not only when they happen, but how often they happen. As TA stated, having center of being helps tremendously to improve the rate at which secondary defenses fire, but I notice that that extra +5 that a swordsman has over a carbineer seems to also make a noticable difference.
Message Edited by EisMan_Buckeye on 09-02-2004 08:55 PM
jontao
Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:20 am
#21
I'm a Master Carbineer/BH. I never tested counter attack as you did, but I have the combat spam come up on my chat window, and I do notice that I do counter attack. Some times more than others, but I have seen it "fire" three times back to back. It's good to hear that someone tested it.
TAfirehawk
Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:39 am
#23
poking wrote:
I think counter attack defines itself
So you just blindly believe anything SOE shoves at you?
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