Carbineer Archive
Thread: A very Enhanced E-11
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Rorenikibi
Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:46 pm
#14
Every little bit helps, and most of my carbines have spreads near 100 points apart without them (my best, the aforementioned 115-257 damage Enhanced E11), plus with the battles I fight where I have a chance to win, its usually decided by just a few points.
And you're right about the food.
Rorenikibi
Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:02 pm
#15
jfang wrote:
Edit: TAfirehawk, what is the DPS of a min/max powerup, or do those not exist? For PvP, comparing a Max/min with min/mind is not really a fair comparison...
Message Edited by jfang on 06-14-2004 05:11 PM
I think its fair, the problem is that the min/max causes a substantial increase in the spread of damage, but it is still increasing the minimum, so there is some improvement. I'll let TA handle the math, I've yet to do it and not screw it up.
jfang
Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:10 pm
#16
Rorenikibi wrote:
I think its fair, the problem is that the min/max causes a substantial increase in the spread of damage, but it is still increasing the minimum, so there is some improvement. I'll let TA handle the math, I've yet to do it and not screw it up.
I say the comparison is not fair exactly for the reason you said, that minimum damage is more important than maximum damage. As such, a min/max powerup (affecting the more important PvP stat more, and lend to a higher dps) is a better comparison to a min/mind one. If a min/max one (as opposed to a max/min one) doesn't exist though, never mind...
EisMan_Buckeye
Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:07 pm
#17
Somewhat along these lines, I'd like to know why the hell food stays undigested in your stomach after you die? I didn't have that food in me when I cloned, so why does my clone have it in him? There is nothing worse than dying on a full stomach... not only do you loose your buffs, you can't eat or drink anything else until what's in your stomach digests. Bah!
/end rant
jfang
Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:16 pm
#18
I believe the argument given by the devs in a 19 answers was that foods have instant buff effects, and if you could use them immediately after cloning it woudl be too strong. Unlike doctor, musician, and dancerbuffs (take time and need skills), since everybody and always instantly use foods, the only limitation to them is your stomach, and clearing it after a death is subject to abuse and too strong.
TAfirehawk
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:33 pm
#19
The numbers don't lie....a Max/Min powerup is within 1% the equal of a Min/Mind powerup for DPS.....only difference is lowering Mind HAM Special cost on the Min/Mind PU. Of course a different weapon damage will return different results but I tried to use rough numbers from an Elite or DXR6 because we are talking PvP and Mitigation 3 here.
Yes I love MATH 
And no there is no Min/Max powerup.....
TAfirehawk
Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:02 am
#20
jfang wrote:
Is there a reason why everybody uses min-max powerups? It seems to me that by reading how important speed is for carbineers people would be more interested in a speed-min or speed-max powerup, or every a HAM reduction powerup (seeing how people always complain about HAM costs of carbines)... Am I missing something?
I have personal schematics of all those powerups you listed....
BUT, I am speed capped on all my Krayt Carbines and I am always buffed....so Max/Min powerups it is
jfang
Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:41 am
#21
So the min/mind powerup is a hair better than a max/min (in specific situations, mind you), and has reduced mind cost? I get the feeling that some people will be switching PvP powerups after this post, at least for a few certain guns in certain cases...
TAfirehawk
Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:43 am
#22
jfang wrote:
So the min/mind powerup is a hair better than a max/min (in specific situations, mind you), and has reduced mind cost? I get the feeling that some people will be switching PvP powerups after this post, at least for a few certain guns in certain cases...
But each weapon will be different as the range increases and decreases.
And note the previously mentioned switch in PvP to the DXR6 from the Elite too
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