Carbineer Archive
Thread: I am sick and tired of listening to sole Carbineers cry about BH Carbine.
After the KD nerf Carbine is my least used weapon, the only time I even used carbine extensively was when I was leveling the carbine tree. Interestingly I maxed it out first as a Marksaman as the laser carbine was the best weapon there.
BH has 3 carbine specials that have already been nerfed multiple times, last two times being the HAM cost and the 30 second timer. Also, the line is broken as the state changes stick infrequently.
All of the BH specials are state changes; Underhand Shot, Fire Knockdown and Dizzy. I use a DH-17 experimented on HAM for these. If I use my laser carbine I do more damage to myself then my opponent (whether a PC or NPC).
As far as comparisons go:
If I were to go against a Carbineer using only Carbine skills I'd lose big time. You guys have better bleeds, and more damaging shots, a lot more versatile with a carbine.
Against a Pistoleer, same thing as a Pistoleer has better accuracy while moving, and better defenses and stopping shot and fan shot do bigger damage then BH specials.
Against a commando, whoever gets their special off first wins. At a distance outside of 16m the Commando will as he has more versatility.
Now, any BH that fights under these circumstances is of course stupid. The reason we have 3 weapon lines is the versatality. Carbine for state changes, Pistol for DoT attacks, and specific HAM pool targeting and LLC for coupe de grace.
If you guys are complaining because a BH beat you in PvP using all their weapons, then buff up your character using your left over skill points, (instead of calling on a nerf) we do not have this option.
To Ypiana who said:
"What you don't get is that the combat in this game amongst elites is supposed to be balanced: ie if you are a master with your weapon you should have an 'equal' chance of matching your opponent through different moves and tactics applied to that weapon."
Pistoleers, Carbineers, and Rifleman are elites. We are hybrid. When you spend 92 skill points to Master your profession, no you should not be equal to a profession that spends 217 points. When doing comparisons, I suggest you look at the full 250 points. Carbineer + CM/Doctor, Carbineer + CH, etc.
We have been nerfed 6 times so far with the 7th coming up soon (Eye shot to Master). Main reason has been people complaining in PvP because parts of their profession has been BROKEN. Rather then concentrating on getting your own profession fixed, what you guys do - call on a nerf on everyone else. I have been ONE shot incapped by a rifleman twice so far (one hit health bar, the other mind), and I was wearing 53% composite armor at the time. You don't see me going up to their boards and calling for a nerf on "Advanced Strafe". I say good job, get cloned and continue the engagement.
Well, you guys called a nerf on KD, what happened? Everyone from TKs to BH to Carbineers got the nerf. It is funny how this post started as a kinda statement on "no we don't want nerfs" to let's nerfem even more.
ugg funny how everyone supporting BH/Carbineers are the BH/carbineers...
afraid of losing all your power huh? I would be fine with BH's being powerful if thats all they could do. Now BH's can master carb BH and a large portiuon of carbineer and still have medic skills
I think that a lot of you guys miss the point. BH isn't supposed to be used for PvP, but a few of its attacks are currently being abused just to get an edge in PvP. BHs are supposed to be people who hunt bounties, not people who fight in conventional battles.
BHs rely on speed, accuracy, and more importantly of all, surprise. BHs are supposed to be able to eliminate a target before they even have a chance to fight back. Once a BH loses the advantage of surprise, then they will have a much harder time winning a fight, unless of course they compliment their skills with weapon specific skills.
/sarcasm
Ah yes.. because as a Bounty Hunter ya know.. they shouldn't be able to kill other players.
/sarcasm
Please. Don't cry nerf on the BH. Cry fix the carbineers. From what I've seen from the specials, once you guys are fixed you'll be nothing to sneeze at.
In fact I predict when you guys are fixed the new flavor of the month will be carbine.
BHs hunt down and kill people. Its what they do. They'll remain in the GCW.
Stop whining about the BH skills and tell the devs to fix your own.
EpYoNTiamat wrote:
Yep, once BH's pvp starts coming from player bounties and jedi bounties(Jedi bounties being first to come, as Q stated they were already working on that), then most of BH pvp will be vs their bounties.
I can't wait until this starts. I don't like how people abusing BH skills in GCW PvP is hurting our ability to do our real job, hunting bounties.
who said 'nerf the bh!' or did i just miss the reply 'cuz it was one-starred off? if you're referrin' to MY post, that would hurt me too, since i'm a bh/carbineer who is dabbling in bh for the SOLE PURPOSE of the speed/accuracy mods. i would LOVE to see carbineer fixed since i like carbines, but i don't see that happening in the next year, so i spent 2 days to get bh.
"who said 'nerf the bh!' or did i just miss the reply 'cuz it was one-starred off? if you're referrin' to MY post, that would hurt me too, since i'm a bh/carbineer who is dabbling in bh for the SOLE PURPOSE of the speed/accuracy mods. i would LOVE to see carbineer fixed since i like carbines, but i don't see that happening in the next year, so i spent 2 days to get bh."
Exploiter! 
Seriously.....Novice BH in 2 days? No way. Unless you mean you decided to do it AFTER you had a bunch of marksman and scout skills already. Way too many xp for Master Marksman AND all those Survival and Trap points. I wouldn't believe it even if you played for 48 hrs straight. You might have gotten the MM and scout xp by power leveling before they changed xp on mobs and lairs, but that would bring us back to my first comment. It was considered an exploit and changed.
I think the BH point is this- We have to be pretty tough with our skill tree because it uses so many SP. What you say is correct, you technically should be better with a carbine/pistol. But, you can master carbine and pistol, and then you will definitely beat a BH in PvP. (At least most of the time) You can even add in a bunch of other skills to complement those. We don't have that option. We can take a little sampling of carbine/pistol, but then the already nausiating downtime we spend from missions will be compounded by the fact we wont have any medical skills to heal ourselves. Most BH's I know take Novice Medic and up to FA2. I know this leaves me with pistoleer 0/0/3/0 for now but when I hit Master BH it will go down to 0/0/2/0. If I just wanted to kick butt in PvP, I wouldn't be a BH. (Especially after they move eyeshot to master) I would master a couple of other combat professions. (A personal friend is a pistoleer/cm and he really cleans up in pvp)
Ghast-Chilastra
BH 0(2)/4/4/4