Carbineer Archive
Thread: Please Nova, tell me the devs will give us a break from HAM costs...
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JangusFett
Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:59 pm
#1
I couldn't read anywhere in the update notes about the change in the HAM costs of carbines and the regen rate of ham costs. The devs have promised this for patch 5, patch 6, and a while back patch 7...are we ever going to be saved from ham costs. Its not a problem with a doc to buff you but Im in a war right now that does not always guaranteed full buffs as I am constantly pvping and it is getting really annoying sacrificing specials for ham, plus Im sure its annoying for every carbineer, even those who dont PvP.
Message Edited by JangusFett on 02-28-2004 01:00 AM
La-grange
Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:22 pm
#2
Yes. Please. I await an answer to that. Pistols suck and I really like to use carbines. But they kill me faster than the person killing me.
JangusFett
Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:21 pm
#4
The silence in this thread is quite disturbing. With buffs HAM costs are no biggy, but if you can't find a master doc they can really, really, really, suck.
penne
Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:15 am
#6
i went doctor purlely because of the ham costs..its ridicuous...try shooting 2 cripplinghshots with my 590 max laser carbine and not be buffed...guranteed ownage of my own ham..2 patches ago when the nerfed doc buffs to over 90 med use all my buffs were changed and i couldnt buff myself. i had to switch to dh17 carbines just to be halfway effective with my combat medic
its ridiculous
Penne
Member of FIGHT
KetherSWG
Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:16 am
#7
hahahahahhahah I dueled a guildmember awhile back so he could clone and go covert. He laid down on the ground while I shot him. The HAM costs from my specials were causing more damage to me than I was causing to him. I almost incapped myself before the "duel" was over!hahahahahahaha
I'm not even exaggerating. Come see me on Bria and I'll show you. 
Quandry
Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:28 am
#8
Heh...Im a doc and carbineer. I dident buff myself yet as i was basicly shopping around and meeting people. A friend needed buffs and still had a crappy action leftover. So i was going to db/rez to rebuff. Had my pvp elite on...The one with the 40/40 stock and super + acc advanced scope and the ultra sick hams....Well 1 fas2 shot took 400 health and even more than that in action !!!
I think he laughed himself to death.
novamarine
Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:51 am
#9
For the record, I do not normally reply to threads that call me out. Before you get mad, you must understand that if I do, I will be swamped with posts looking for info on all kinds of issues. As it is, if you could see my PM you would shudder in fear...
However, to address your question, I refer you to TH's Art of Combat post. The combat revamp is taking place in a few waves. There is going to be a whole new HAM system and our special's HAM costs will be rebalanced when this rolls out. Now, here is why I have said nothing on the subject. The Devs have said nothing and as such I have no info. I am being 100% honest. I don't know when it is coming and I don't even have the tinniest idea what the new HAM system will be like. They are being extremely tight lipped on this.
In the meantime, I highly recommend using doctor buffs whenever you can. When you cannot, purchase some rychate and breath of heaven from a friendly Chef. Also, be aware that certain specials HAM costs distribute differently than others. For example, burstshot1 uses a balance of health and action to fire whereas crippleshot uses mostly action to fire. In essence, if you are not buffed, stick with burstshot because your HAM costs are coming from 2 pools that regenerate instead of 1 pool that regenerates. And whatever you do, do not use ANY of the fullauto specials unless you are buffed. See the sticky thread called something similar to special modifiers for more info.
Quandry
Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:01 am
#10
heh i was just pointing out just how bad hams could be. I had these weapons made with hams being my least concern.
The only rumors i have heard about ham cost is some odd system that will shrink our ham sizes per shot and the size will have a special regen on it. Sompthing like that anyway. But im not sure about it and cant quote anything on it. Take it as a small hint of a posibility and nothing more. I could be totaly wrong. I could be compleatly right but they changed it again...Consider this as big a disclamer as you want. Dont quote me hehe. But the devs said that the revamp will stop mind from being the end all in pvp. This is a good thing. And the system i just described will not accomplish that. I am just as cureious as all of you. We have a good rep with nova here so you can bet we will know as soon as its out.
heh and nova if there is sompthing you cant talk about you can pm me : ) ill keep it quiet
La-grange
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:22 pm
#11
LOL. Oh well. This is pretty funny actually. Cause if I can remember TH's post correctly. he said Ham requirements for specials were being increased. Me being the carbineer I was got extremely concerned. With no talk on improving the blight that ultimately drove me from this profession.
You can't imagine the simple pleasures of walking out of the front door of your house and not incapping yourself on a pesky bird that decided to agro on you. And the worst part about it was you were out of spices/food buffs and weren't buffed by a doc. Im sorry but looking back I can't help but wonder how in the world I mastered this profession in the first place considering that I had never even heard of buffs till about the fourth or fifth month of gameplay. Im feel even more sorry for this profession because buffs are a requirement and not a choice. Im happy with running missions again unbuffed. Looks like my carbines are going to be collecting dust for a little while longer.
Well congrats on getting the specials fixed.
You can't imagine the simple pleasures of walking out of the front door of your house and not incapping yourself on a pesky bird that decided to agro on you. And the worst part about it was you were out of spices/food buffs and weren't buffed by a doc. Im sorry but looking back I can't help but wonder how in the world I mastered this profession in the first place considering that I had never even heard of buffs till about the fourth or fifth month of gameplay. Im feel even more sorry for this profession because buffs are a requirement and not a choice. Im happy with running missions again unbuffed. Looks like my carbines are going to be collecting dust for a little while longer.
Well congrats on getting the specials fixed.
La-grange
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:34 pm
#12
novamarine wrote:For the record, I do not normally reply to threads that call me out. Before you get mad, you must understand that if I do, I will be swamped with posts looking for info on all kinds of issues. As it is, if you could see my PM you would shudder in fear...However, to address your question, I refer you to TH's Art of Combat post. The combat revamp is taking place in a few waves. There is going to be a whole new HAM system and our special's HAM costs will be rebalanced when this rolls out. Now, here is why I have said nothing on the subject. The Devs have said nothing and as such I have no info. I am being 100% honest. I don't know when it is coming and I don't even have the tinniest idea what the new HAM system will be like. They are being extremely tight lipped on this.In the meantime, I highly recommend using doctor buffs whenever you can. When you cannot, purchase some rychate and breath of heaven from a friendly Chef. Also, be aware that certain specials HAM costs distribute differently than others. For example, burstshot1 uses a balance of health and action to fire whereas crippleshot uses mostly action to fire. In essence, if you are not buffed, stick with burstshot because your HAM costs are coming from 2 pools that regenerate instead of 1 pool that regenerates. And whatever you do, do not use ANY of the fullauto specials unless you are buffed. See the sticky thread called something similar to special modifiers for more info.
Also. Certain carbines have heavier requirements in certain areas of the ham. I liked the ee-3 because of the low mind drain it had that allowed me to get off a few more stims to keep fighting. Downside. High health drain. The DH-17 is your best bet (ironically) as far as ham drain and a good dps. Downside to that one is AP0. The E-11 has decient ham drain (low mind) as well with AP1 but low damage. DXR6 is a little higher on the mind drain but has good damage. Just a little slow. Also full auto single 2 has a good DPS and comes with two helpfull stat changes and isn't too bad on the mind pool. Used that one alot with the DH-17 short carbine for the high speed that is inherent with it.
JangusFett
Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:38 pm
#13
novamarine wrote:
For the record, I do not normally reply to threads that call me out. Before you get mad, you must understand that if I do, I will be swamped with posts looking for info on all kinds of issues. As it is, if you could see my PM you would shudder in fear...
However, to address your question, I refer you to TH's Art of Combat post. The combat revamp is taking place in a few waves. There is going to be a whole new HAM system and our special's HAM costs will be rebalanced when this rolls out. Now, here is why I have said nothing on the subject. The Devs have said nothing and as such I have no info. I am being 100% honest. I don't know when it is coming and I don't even have the tinniest idea what the new HAM system will be like. They are being extremely tight lipped on this.
In the meantime, I highly recommend using doctor buffs whenever you can. When you cannot, purchase some rychate and breath of heaven from a friendly Chef. Also, be aware that certain specials HAM costs distribute differently than others. For example, burstshot1 uses a balance of health and action to fire whereas crippleshot uses mostly action to fire. In essence, if you are not buffed, stick with burstshot because your HAM costs are coming from 2 pools that regenerate instead of 1 pool that regenerates. And whatever you do, do not use ANY of the fullauto specials unless you are buffed. See the sticky thread called something similar to special modifiers for more info.
Well this is what a feard. I remember TH also saying they would try and push the HAM cost system by 6 or 7...here we are coming to 7 and now he is still silent on the issue. This may be an old pessimistic view from being a former MBH, but I fear we are looking at close to Space Expansion for this fix../sigh
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