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Thread: +25 Carbine Defense worth getting?

Red1982
Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:09 pm
#1

Hi peeps,


somebody offered me a Carbine Defense +25 AA for 2,5mill and I´m wondering if it´s really doin a diffrence at all.

I´m MBH/MCarbs


thx for any help
DigiDante
Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:25 pm
#2

/shrug

I got it. I don't notice much of a difference, but its a good price.

I paid 5m for a +25 carb defense / +18 pistol defense



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DigiDante
Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:28 pm
#3

Just did a small test with some Gungans.

I was absorbing 15/55 damage without my +25 and I was absorbing 19/55 with it.



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LookOfDeath
Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:37 pm
#4

Its bugged atm so just hold onto it



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_scout_
Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:19 pm
#5

In addition to the fact that it might be bugged, it might be worth more in PvP combat.

If the accuracy of your target is higher then your defenses they do additional damage to you, so in PvP and/or duels/ BH Jedi conflicts, it is certainly usefull to have as high as possible defenses.

The effect in PvE might be significantly lower (in addition to the fact that it might be bugged as the pervious post stated).

If you want to test it, test it in a duel with a friend.







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weaponmaster88
Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:02 pm
#6






LookOfDeath wrote:
Its bugged atm so just hold onto it




proof? haven't heard this at all. seemed to work for me, dimishing returns reduce its usefulness but it does work i think



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LookOfDeath
Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:30 am
#7

It is suppose to give +25 ranged and melee defense when holding a carbine and 4 points of damage is not a conclusive statement.



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Red1982
Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:01 am
#8

hmmm, so I guess I should get that tape, huh?


Since I´m a MBH/MCarbs and I´m using an ADKed Proton Carb as my mainweapon
Crash752
Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:59 am
#9






LookOfDeath wrote:
It is suppose to give +25 ranged and melee defense when holding a carbine and 4 points of damage is not a conclusive statement.




Testing against an NPC with unknown accuracy is not a conclusive test.


Carbine defense tapes work just fine. When testing to see if it works you have to take into account diminishing returns.



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Remilliod
Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:17 am
#10

I have one and will test it out for you. But my experience is it does work.


The "diminishing returns" statement is a bit misleading when applying it to defense and accuracy. You only get to the point of diminishing returns when your defence is much greater or much less than the opponents accuracy.


Same with accuracy. If your accuracy is hopelessly less than your oppenents defense you wont notice if you increase it by 25. It will still be hopelessly less.


BUT when your defense and the oppenents accuracy are within 100 points of each other you will start to notice the difference of a +25 bonus.


Thats the theory anyway. And I will try to test this out this evening.





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Red1982
Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:15 pm
#11

do we have any results by now?
Remilliod
Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:27 am
#12






Red1982 wrote:
do we have any results by now?






I did some testing last night. Youre not gonna like it though...


I tested my +25 carbineer defense AA against a rifleman doing headshot.



My ranged defense is 257 with the +25 tape and 232 without.

The first rifleman had 200 accuracy. They were hitting me for about 200 with or without the +25 carbineer defense.

The second rifleman had 260 accuracy. With carb defense he hit for 294. Without he hit for 297.

Not a big difference there... But it did seem to do something...



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Abcel
Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:20 pm
#13

i belive that +25 carbine defense gives you +25 melee/ranged defense like it does with melee.
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