Carbineer Archive

That seems to be what a lot of people are saying...That seems pretty silly.

yeah even though you have to put all your skills into the professions, they can use other weapons too. Which a master carbineer can not do. At the most (and i mean most) they should be equal, if not the carbineer be better at carbines

I disagree with this...I think bounty hunters should be better. Bounty hunters require that you spend your skils on Master Marksman AND Master Scout. If you decided to go with Master Bounty hunter, well that doesn't leave much room for anything else.

Carabineers only have to obtain specialist in Carbine under marksman.. This leaves quite a bit of skill points to make a more well rounded character, do some crafting, etc.

Now, if you were complaining that Pistoleers are better than Carabineers, then I would feel for you and agree that Carbines need some revamping in this game.

Bushjumper, that focus on bounty hunting doesn't leave many free skill points, sure. But it gives access to good pay, an elite (and very cool to many people) title, and lets lots of people carry out their dreams and fantasies. In addition, a master bounty hunter pays for versatility in weapon choice (requiring *master* marksman, and different disciplines for the weapons within his own profession).

Master Carabineer isn't a character's central defining characteristic in the same way, but it *does* represent mastery of the carbine.

If you truly want to be a bounty hunting carbine master, it should be set up so that you could equal the skill of a master carabineerby taking master marksman, master scout, novice BH, master carabineer,than pay attention to the Investigation and BH Carbine trees. You've got the points to do it that way. And actually, you'll end up with far better carbine bonuses than anything else in the game that way, not to mention all the special moves. (Just evidence that BH and Elite weapon profession's skill mods shouldn't stack)

Instead, a master bounty hunter/no involvement incarabineer has 5 more points of carbine accuracy and 15 points more carbine speed than a master carabineer.

It's a shame a master carabineer is less powerfull and lessfastwith a carabine than a BH. A BH has other weapons/skills making this prof interesting but it should never ever be more powerfull than a carabineer when we are talking about carabine usage.

Im not trolling i have spent my last bit of skill point on this prof. The amount of skill points that i have to spend to become a MBH is a hell of alot.i;m in no way syaing that i should be better than a master carbineer, but if i spend all those skill points and i use the remaining skill points on carbineer then i think i should be able to hold my own with a master carbineer. I do agree that for the most part carbineers need a good re work by the devs but i do love this prof alot, and if i was not a mbh i would be a master carbineer for sure!

So to sum it all up i would say MBH vers MC would be a hard fight and could go either way! I know some MBH that only spam one special and i see them go down often! Its all in knowing who your fighting and knowing the limits ofthat prof and using it to the fullest.

flame on hahaha

MBH has:

+120 Carbine accuracy
+ 80 Carbine speed
+ 24 Ranged Defense
+ 2 Melee Defense

/underHand - KD (Unreliable...even against low level NPCs)
/knockdownFire - Dizzy + KD (If Dizzy sticks it's dizzy lite, KD unreliable)
/confusionShot - Dizzy/ Stun
/sprayShot - Dizzy/ Blind/ Stun and 5.5 damage multiplier (My personal favorite special in the whole game)

No new carbine cert. 33 Skill points remaining.

Master Carbineer has:

+130 Carbine accuracy
+60 Carbine speed
+25 Carbine aiming
+30 Accuracy while moving
+105 Counterattack
+ 25 D vs. Intimidate
+ 15 D vs. KD
+ 27 Ranged Defense

/chargeShot1 (Reliable KD....?? Who knows now)
/cripplingShot - Nice damage (7 multiplier I think), awful delay if pure Master carb, insane HAM costs
/burstShot - Nice damage

Abunch of broken specials, Elite Carbine cert and 158 SP remaining.

thank you so much, for that post you said what i was trying to get to but did not have any of the numbers to backwhat i was trying to get acrosshahahahaha good post

Message Edited by oddgo on 02-11-2004 11:54 AM

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RanShino wrote:

MBH has:

+120 Carbine accuracy
+ 80 Carbine speed
+ 24 Ranged Defense
+ 2 Melee Defense

/underHand - KD (Unreliable...even against low level NPCs)
/knockdownFire - Dizzy + KD (If Dizzy sticks it's dizzy lite, KD unreliable)
/confusionShot - Dizzy/ Stun
/sprayShot - Dizzy/ Blind/ Stun and 5.5 damage multiplier (My personal favorite special in the whole game)

No new carbine cert. 33 Skill points remaining.

Master Carbineer has:

+130 Carbine accuracy
+60 Carbine speed
+25 Carbine aiming
+30 Accuracy while moving
+105 Counterattack
+ 25 D vs. Intimidate
+ 15 D vs. KD
+ 27 Ranged Defense

/chargeShot1 (Reliable KD....?? Who knows now)
/cripplingShot - Nice damage (7 multiplier I think), awful delay if pure Master carb, insane HAM costs
/burstShot - Nice damage

Abunch of broken specials, Elite Carbine cert and 158 SP remaining.

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I just need to add that Spray Shot is a Master Bounty Hunter move so it's not like any fool can get it.

p.s I fill your pain with todays nerf.

We spend more Skillpoints on just carbines than BHs do, so your skillpoint argument goes out the door. The other skillpoints spent on BH are for other weapons, which is the strength of the BH, their versitality. ours is in our pure specialization.

We should be far better than a BH with a carbine, but sadly, that is no longer the case. It was when chargeshot1 was spammable, but i doubt it will stay the same.

You cant really compare a BH with a carbineer. In terms of power output a BH is supposed to be much more damaging then a carbineer because our profession is offensive based. Carbineer is a more rounded combat profession having both great offensive power with added defense - something a bh doesn't have. Also Our attacks are different. BH gets many state effects because our main defense is the ability to decrease our targets combat ability. Because you have the added defensive bonuses you dont need these state effects.

Basically BH and Carbineer are two very different professions who approach combat in two very different ways. It's not really viable to judge one against the other.

bushjumper is now the moron of the day