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Thread: BARCING MAD! Barc and the Economy

SidlandianTrufor
Sat May 28, 2005 8:27 pm
#1



I remember when I started this game about a year ago.... what a thrill it was to receive my first gift from a Jedi who helped me out of the blue for no other reason than to be kind... yes he was on the Light Side ...lol.........


I had not asked for help we merely struck up a conversation in the Coronet Starport awaiting a jump.I enthusiastically asked him some pertinent questions of the new universe I was exploring..... He made a few suggestions and I kowtowed graciously with the new key command emote he taught me.... As I was leaving excited to go and grind a mission or two on a new planet, for a hard earned buck and needed experience, he banktipped me 100k .... I was overwhelmed. That amount of money was huge at that time. It would open up armour and meds and a few buffs for me..... possibly even a house.....


Since that day I have made it a point to go out of my way when not obligated elsewhere to try and help newer players etc. Sometimes that has been by gifting credits but much more often in gifting weapons, meds, armour, mounts, houses including some maintenance and pertinent advice etc. even often taking a newer player out taming creatures with me or hunting....... Showing him some of the ropes for inspiration.......


I remember quite vividly the first day I FINALLY broke a million credits (5-6 months down the line).... that was a monumental occasion and with exception of a couple gifts along the way that were small by todays economy, I GRINDED EVERY CREDIT! I had not yet used the trades nor started selling collectible items etc. I was very fortunate with the New Loot publish to span the Galaxy and work my buttocks off to aquire EVERY new loot poster well before therest and have about six or seven Recyclers crafted and sold... Again I looted all the parts and items myself. I traded and bartered and gifted to the point where I after a year have a Guild House I can be very proud of that displays a veritable treasure trove of game items.


Now bear with me on this because it is going somewhere.... by pre CU economy I could speculate the value of my house if it were to go on the Auction Block would break 100million..... Most of it now post CU etc has taken a nose dive in value BUT that was never the reason for the place anyway. I had collected almost Everything that was no longer lootable in the game that I could find. Everything lootable during my playing history I aquired myself. It is something I can feel proud of for obvious reasons....


Thanks for bearing with me this far... now we come to the point..... BARC speeders are gifted to BRAND NEW PLAYERS or anyone desperate enough topurchase a triple pack that represents what they arleady have....


If the New Player sells their Barc Speeder .... INSTANT MULTI- MILLIONAIRE without breaking a sweat or even leaving the first ten foot perimeter of their Starport drop..... Economy and integrity in the game BUSTED...... NO ONE IN SOE OR ON THE PLANET can make a solid argument to suggest otherwise. Barc speeders at this time are amost at the value of an ADK on Ahazi....


SOE marketing and product development you are obviously themost ignorantpack of fools I have ever encountered. You just GREENLIGHTED exploitation within the game, whether it is in the form of longer term ' AFK spam artists ' taking advantage of the newbies and turning these things around for millions themselves OR ANY punk with an IQ over 2 realizing they never have to WORK AT ALL IN THIS Game again if they sell their Barc speeder for5 million plus.. Heck some of these opportunists even ask for up to 15mill because some desperate rich fool with an abundance of money will buy it.....


SOEreallyF U * * E D up on this one!


What is equally as bad if not worse is SOE basically showed exactly how much they care about their fully committed customers that prepurchased or previously purchased ALL they have to offer us. Truly aslap in the face!


UNKNOWN SALUTE TO SOE AND THE MARKETING TEAM! You just keep giving us more reason to stop supporting your salaries!

Message Edited by SidlandianTrufor on 05-29-2005 12:25 AM



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SidlandianTrufor
Sat May 28, 2005 8:38 pm
#2

A quick addendum to the above post....


A very simple solution to economic abuse created by the Barc reward would have been to offer the special Package Purchasers a Real Life toy or a coupon for an extra free month of play or ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE GAME!


A simple resolution to this current state of affairs would be to offerthe Barc Speeder to everyone who has ALL of the expansions etc... but alas that would just create more complaints by those who immediately ran out and purchased the Full Pack for the speeder alone...lol....


Anyway SOE you created yet another mess congrats!



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Vargos_v2
Sat May 28, 2005 8:40 pm
#3

maybe its because mine was not so eloquently worded...but why did you make a direct copy of my statement posted directly before yours...by about an hour or more?


Great points by the way....I agree completely. I started on Day1 so there were none to show me the ropes. But I showed the ropes to many-a-n00b. Until they start offering me 18million for their BARC. Screw 'em. They wont get a buck from me.
SidlandianTrufor
Sat May 28, 2005 9:20 pm
#4






Vargos_v2 wrote:

maybe its because mine was not so eloquently worded...but why did you make a direct copy of my statement posted directly before yours...by about an hour or more?


Great points by the way....I agree completely. I started on Day1 so there were none to show me the ropes. But I showed the ropes to many-a-n00b. Until they start offering me 18million for their BARC. Screw 'em. They wont get a buck from me.






Sorry Vargos I was not trying to steal your parade actually I was going to bump your post too later..... I STRONGLY support what you said and it helped to inspire me to post too........


The SPECIFIC reason I posted too is because this is an issue that I feel demands MUCH more attention than One thread alone will generate! Not that mine will achieve anything special but.......


I hope others will start BARKING about the Barc!





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SidlandianTrufor
Sat May 28, 2005 9:33 pm
#5

Just incase you decide to file a Plagiarism suit I went ahead and changed the title out of respect for your thread.... lol


Don't buy one Vargos even though you can afford it..... sure maybe trade a newbie something useful for one like armour and a house and some meds but DONT make someone a millionaire before their time and especially don't support the scammers that are scooping these up like ADKs and selling them to the desperate .......


You know Vargos no word of a lie I have never been to the Business and Economy threads until today and the SOLE reason I came was to draft a Barc issue.... Finding yours was synchronous and know that I will continue to bump your thread too!





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DeviEver
Sat May 28, 2005 9:42 pm
#6

Get over it.

deci-
SidlandianTrufor
Sat May 28, 2005 9:59 pm
#7






DeviEver wrote:
Get over it.

deci-




Lol thanks for the bump

Message Edited by SidlandianTrufor on 05-29-2005 01:01 AM



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Vastar
Sat May 28, 2005 11:10 pm
#8

This is not the first or even the most appalling way SOE has tried to level the field between those that have put in effort and those that have not. The really sad part is that those that are receiving the leg up are the ones cheated out of the experience of achieving the way others have. That'll also have the unfortunate side effect of a lot of them believing folks like us are simply whiners whining about them being able to compete without recognizing what everyone together has really lost.



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AudioOrgana
Sat May 28, 2005 11:50 pm
#9

I've found that in this game, people are pretty predictable.

People that get easy money tend to spend it just as quickly. It was hilarious to watch during the first round of vet rewards, people hawking stuff at the Starport and then running off with the cash and spending it in my, and my friends, shops. I made more money that week (30+ million) than I had since the new (now defunct) combat droids were put in last year.

Yeah, SOE sold out on this one - by making it tradable. On the other hand, it's the only way some of us are going to ever get one.

Me, I think I'll just be happy with my jetpack. Still the fastest vehicle in the game, with zero terrain negotiation.

AO
Vastar
Sun May 29, 2005 9:36 am
#10


AudioOrgana wrote:

Me, I think I'll just be happy with my jetpack. Still the fastest vehicle in the game, with zero terrain negotiation.


The fastest? Are you being sarcastic? If not, since when? I always found it to be unbearably slow.



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KvikkDod
Sun May 29, 2005 10:44 am
#11

I agree with you on some of your points. But not all of them. I play this game for enjoyment. I don't get much free time, but what free time I have is usually wrapped up in this game. I love it and always have.


The combat upgrade for me wasn't the end of the world. I hadn't progressed in the game far enough to really understand the changes even though I have been playing for a very long time. I have learned to adapt and overcome the changes though, and even appreciate what the devs were really trying to do.


I did not know how some of these vehicle's came into being until I read your thread today however. I saw them for the first time yesterday and a guy offered to auction a BARC speeder and requested people bid privately to him. I didn't plan on paying him, but I was curious to his limits. I offered 1.5 mil and he told me "Sorry, my lowest bid is 10 mil." I nearly fell out of my chair! I told him the people offering that were nuts and he said, "Yeah I know. I can't believe it."


Yes it is disturbing that someone would pay that much for a speeder, but you are blamine SOE for the wrong reason I think. Newbies get the speeder. Veteran's get vet rewards, but they also get something else. The respec. I had a multitude of skills, but I was never a master anything. I wanted BH and at the pace I was going I wouldn't reach that skill for many years. =-) I have respecced my character at least five times. It certainly allows you freedom to customize your character without penalty. Also, any armor you had in your inventory was able to be changed to the class of armor your new respec needs.


The people that have been most vocal about the CU and other decisions that the devs have made seem to be reacting just like many other humans do when confronted with change, resist it. I speculate that had SWG been launched from the beginning with the current system in place no one would be complaining about the current issues. I'm sure they would find something to complain about, but that is how change progresses. Find a problem and fix it.


We all love Star Wars. We all love the idea of this game. I agree that as buyers of this game we have a lot of power and that there are public forums to address our issues within the game. But, I think that the issues being called into question are motivated by greed and convenience. And if there is one thing I have learned about progressing in this game, nothing is convenient. But I love it anyway and I still play it. I want to see where this game goes. I want to see other worlds added, like Coruscant, Hoth, etc.. The devs created a game interface that would allow players to have input on the game ('Test Center'). Good luck and, "May the Force be with you."





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KvikkDod
Sun May 29, 2005 11:06 am
#12

Okay, the force be with you comment was corny.



Kill 'em all, let Jaba sort them out.

"The only easy day was yesterday."
CharPrime
Sun May 29, 2005 12:39 pm
#13

why worry about noobs getting a few million credits. they will spend it and make it back. the haves and the have not again



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