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Rodian-Bob
Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:48 pm
#14

So it is your contention that patch 14.0 did not fix:


Loot



  • Giant Canyon and Krayt Ancient Dragons should drop pearls at their normal drop rate
  • Nightsisters should drop crystals at their normal drop rate
  • Fixed a problem with all high-end loot drop rates

Has this been verified and checked today? Just didn't read a reference to the newest patch in the diatribe.




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SexyJabbaTheHutt
Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:11 pm
#15






Milgram wrote:

I disagree with you obi. There must be a little more seperation. I have never, ever looted a CDEF pistol off a night sister, and I have never looted a base night sister lance off a meatlump. Somewhere, somehow, there is a differentiation between mobs. Elders probably have a 25% crystal, 25% credits, 1% uber loot, 25%basic NS/SMCtable, 20% warm hat loot table, 4% almost uber NS/SMC table.


While i totaly agree with your "uber loot bin" idea, I do not think it applies to pearls and crystals. There could be tons and tons of people out at the graveyard, or there could be no one. Pearls were pretty close to 1 in 4. Same with elders. It didn't matter what time of day, elders were pretty consistent with a 25% drop rate. Same with Nyax. He seemed to be pretty close to 1 in 4. The thing is, tissues, nothing, grenades, and scales seemed to be on a 1 in 4 drop rate as well.


If it is a simple thing like "oops, we deleted the pearl/crystal/nyax loot table" how come it is so hard to fix it? Why are the devs having such a devil of a time, and how come they are putting broken versions of it into test center, then into live? Hmmmm. Sounds like you are missunderestimating them.






Actually, elders were 1 in 10. If you..hrum..."milked" an elder spawn, you would get 1 crystal every 10 elders you killed. Tried tested and true.

Dakccoathania
Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:12 pm
#16

1. "Missunderestimate" is not a word.

2. I killed 7 giant Krayts today. Only tissues and segments were looted.



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Rodian-Bob
Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:26 pm
#17






Milgram wrote:




Rodian-Bob wrote:
So it is your contention that patch 14.0 did not fix:


Loot



  • Giant Canyon and Krayt Ancient Dragons should drop pearls at their normal drop rate
  • Nightsisters should drop crystals at their normal drop rate
  • Fixed a problem with all high-end loot drop rates

Has this been verified and checked today? Just didn't read a reference to the newest patch in the diatribe.





Yes, I am saying that.




Ah, I see. Then perhaps the conspiracy theories are all true! Just reading through the "14.0 Issues" thread had 20-30 people so far confirming the non-fixed state of loot...


The thing is, what can we do about it? mmmmm





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Pawlin
Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:35 pm
#18

Well Tiggs just posted that the following is coming to Test Center for March 9th:



Test Center

Version 0.116070


GCW


  • Player placed gardens should no longer register themselves on the planetary map

Loot



  • Giant Canyon and Krayt Ancient Dragons should drop pearls at their normal drop rate
  • Nightsisters should drop crystals at their normal drop rate



Ya thats what they said they fixed before. So guess they goofed it up and are going to fix it again or they forgot to fix it the first time?? *shrug* Obviously their internal bug tracking is extremely poor.

Message Edited by Pawlin on 03-09-2005 04:40 PM



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Milgram
Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:22 pm
#19







Dakccoathania wrote: 1. "Missunderestimate" is not a word. 2. I killed 7 giant Krayts today. Only tissues and segments were looted.



Sorry, I didn't know the "missunderestimate" bit needed an explanation. *note-I am not 100% sure i am siting the quote and time right, but Pres. GWB really did say it.




"A lot of people missunderestimate me. I think it is an advantage."



Then Gov. George Bush (as in Gov at the time) said that to a reporter who asked him about people who try to portray him as stupid. This brilliant answer is so simplistic and dumb, yet in it's simplicity and dumbness is the key to understanding it. To missunderestimate someone/thing is to completely and utterly underestimate someone/thing because not only do you want to think them stupid and incompetent, but they are actively trying to lead you to that conclusion. The Dems did it withDubbya in 2000, and 2004, and are still doing it right now. No matter how brilliantly Bush outsmarts and outmaneuvers them, they just say, "he is such an idiot, why can't the American people see that?" He has so completely and utterly bamboozled them that they come up with stupid excuses like "Rick Cheney (lol,can't say his real name not even with a 1 for the i) is really pulling the strings," or "We went to war in Iraq because Donald Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft told him to." While they are buisy pleading their stupidity case on news shows, he is buisy "bumbeling" his way through tax cuts, or social security reform. I mean absolutely no disrespect tothe democrats at all. Dubbya pays this part so flawlessly, how can you help but falling for it?




What I am saying, is don't missumderestimate the devs. Ya, sure, of course it is a bug. Sure, it is taking 3 weeks to fix because the devs are just a bunch of stupid high school drop outs who type with their index fingers one letter at a time. So, while we are all buisy hyperventelating over the utter incompetence of the devs, they are "laughing all the way to the bank" so to speek. Their plan is totaly working because of peoples readiness to believe the devs are a bunch of imbiciles. So we yell and scream, trying to convince each other that the devs can't fix the "bug", in the mean time, they are able to push through "tax cuts" (the amazing economy results of the loot "bug") and "social security reform" (the combat Upgrade). Go devs. I was a fool to missunderestimate you. *tips hat*

Message Edited by Milgram on 03-09-2005 06:23 PM




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Milgram
Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:33 pm
#20






SexyJabbaTheHutt wrote:


Actually, elders were 1 in 10. If you..hrum..."milked" an elder spawn, you would get 1 crystal every 10 elders you killed. Tried tested and true.





The Elder loot rate has actually shifted a couple times. "back in the day" they were 1 in 4. They were dropped to 1 in 10after that weekend where nothing droped anything more than credits. They went back to 1 in 4 at 12.1 (I think it was 12.1-it was the first attempt to increase the krayt population).I never milked, but i did notice a much, much lower drop rate (I thought it was 1 in 8, but i went to greener pastures during the nerf)during that time. People probably didn't notice the increase at 12.1 because they spent all their time out at the graveyard.




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- I support keeping & balancing the current combat system You can too


Pawlin
Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:43 pm
#21






Milgram wrote:




...



What I am saying, is don't missumderestimate the devs. Ya, sure, of course it is a bug. Sure, it is taking 3 weeks to fix because the devs are just a bunch of stupid high school drop outs who type with their index fingers one letter at a time. So, while we are all buisy hyperventelating over the utter incompetence of the devs, they are "laughing all the way to the bank" so to speek.

...






Many people will assume its incompetence. I really don't think thats the case at all.


It could easily bedue to beaucracy. Have you seen Office Space or read Dilbert?



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RogueKairi
Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:39 pm
#22






Pawlin wrote:





Milgram wrote:




...



What I am saying, is don't missumderestimate the devs. Ya, sure, of course it is a bug. Sure, it is taking 3 weeks to fix because the devs are just a bunch of stupid high school drop outs who type with their index fingers one letter at a time. So, while we are all buisy hyperventelating over the utter incompetence of the devs, they are "laughing all the way to the bank" so to speek.

...






Many people will assume its incompetence. I really don't think thats the case at all.


It could easily bedue to beaucracy. Have you seen Office Space or read Dilbert?






Its always bureaucracy. Theyre running a business and thats what people fail to realize.



Oh, btw Mil, before you go slamming the devs for their incompetence, try getting your own competence correct. Hyperventelating? Speek??Or were you typing with your index finger and confused the "e" key for the "i" key like some stupid high school drop-out?



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Milgram
Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:01 pm
#23









RogueKairi wrote:


Its always bureaucracy. Theyre running a business and thats what people fail to realize.




Oh, btw Mil, before you go slamming the devs for their incompetence, try getting your own competence correct. Hyperventelating? Speek??Or were you typing with your index finger and confused the "e" key for the "i" key like some stupid high school drop-out?





Soryyou cann't reedmi crapi speling. Never Has ben arele strong point. While I go back to spelling class, you should go back to your compreehenshun class. Somewhere in all them words I describe why I think the devs are extremely smart and competent. They are stupid like a Dubbya. I guess if you think Dubbya is stupid, this really wouldn't make much sense to you. I'll break it down for you. Dubbya = smart even though people think he is stupid. Devs = smart even though people think they are stupid. You Savvy?


Shame on you for disrespecting high school dropouts by comparing them to me . What did they ever do to you?






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I go Bakersfield Chimp on Krayts and Nightsisters. You Savvy?
- I support keeping & balancing the current combat system You can too


RogueKairi
Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:08 pm
#24






Milgram wrote:





Soryyou cann't reedmi crapi speling. Never Has ben arele strong point. While I go back to spelling class, you should go back to your compreehenshun class. Somewhere in all them words I describe why I think the devs are extremely smart and competent. They are stupid like a Dubbya. I guess if you think Dubbya is stupid, this really wouldn't make much sense to you. I'll break it down for you. Dubbya = smart even though people think he is stupid. Devs = smart even though people think they are stupid. You Savvy?


Shame on you for disrespecting high school dropouts by comparing them to me . What did they ever do to you?







Savvy







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Milgram
Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:23 am
#25




Well, looks like i need to eat my aluminum hat. It's kinda sad actually . This means the Devs really are incompetent.

Message Edited by Milgram on 03-10-2005 10:03 AM




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- I support keeping & balancing the current combat system You can too


Crimsonsplat
Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:36 am
#26

I read your original post and my original objection still stands.Why also break the loot tables for the low end loot, like the loot kits?


It's not all a conspiricy. Never attribute to malice what can be explained by human stupidity.

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