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Thread: Buyers and resellers beware . . .
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DorkyBob
Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:52 pm
#14
Okay all, this guy my not be the only one doing these sort of tricks. why just the other day I was looking for some C12's. We all know how hot these items are seeing that they are usable by anyone. Well I got on the bazzar and did a global vender search and BAM!! there was a few crates of these guys, I then went to look at there damage rates and low and behold I was looking at a crate of 25 Bio Effect Controlers that where tittled "C12's Grenades" priced at whopping 90k a crate.
So in short the tittle of this thread says it all.
Be Aware Of What You Are Getting Into
So in short the tittle of this thread says it all.
Be Aware Of What You Are Getting Into
bluejanus
Tue Apr 05, 2005 6:50 pm
#15
UmmonPrime wrote:
Giamai wrote:
basically you reported him AFTER he bent over backwards to right his own wrong and you just threw his apology in his face out of some moral self-righteousness... how obnoxious of you.
That's what I got out of this whole post.
Except by that point, the seller had already defrauded a couple of people already.
Backlasher
Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:35 pm
#16
i always look for great deal...like one guy i found selling swoops for 5k...yeah i bought those babies afap and got rid of them all within an hour for 12k each...made 210k profit in an hour just for looking around on different vendors...
Vastar
Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:15 pm
#17
bluejanus wrote:
UmmonPrime wrote:
Giamai wrote:basically you reported him AFTER he bent over backwards to right his own wrong and you just threw his apology in his face out of some moral self-righteousness... how obnoxious of you.
That's what I got out of this whole post.Except by that point, the seller had already defrauded a couple of people already.
As our "victim" stated, the seller made every attempt and then some to compensate the unintended targets. As for the intended ones, I don't think any reseller that can't bring him/herself to take a second and examine an item before purchasing has much of a future in the business. I can't see any reason to call in the babysitters aside from the fact that the two involved in this story don't agree on a morality issue.
What the guy did is clearly against the rules, sure. Those rules are written with a very wide scope intentionally, though. That's so SOE can fall back on them in any situation and make whatever determination they want without being bound by some poor wording because they didn't consider every dumb little situation when it was written.
Also, this isn't the real world. This is Star Wars (or supposed to be anyway). I find it amusing in a depressing kind of way that the smallest thing like this gets people worked up.
Tarallian
Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:13 pm
#18
Based on my emails, conversation and overall experience with him, I reported him out of concern for others, and I started this thread to share my story and warn or remind others to be careful when theypurchase items.Go ahead and call me unforgiving, arrogant, obnoxious, etc. . . . that's your opinion and you're entitled to that, same as I'm entitled to one as well. I don't know this seller. I don't know if he's done this before, or not. I don't know if he compensated others, or not. I don't know if he learned his lesson, or not. I don't know any of that for sure . . .and let's not forget . . . neither do you. So, after taking my overall experience with himinto consideration, and from my point-of-view, in my opinion I did what I thought and still think is best, and reported his actions accordingly. If nothing comes of that, then fine. If he's given a warning, then fine. If he decides to raise his prices as is his right, then that's fine too. I am in no position to decide how the situation should be addressed hereafter, and frankly again, neither are you, but I was definitely in a position that allowed me to forward my concerns to those that are better suited for doing so. Fault me for that if you must. That's perfectly fine with me.
Giamai
Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:34 am
#19
Tarallian wrote:
Giamai wrote:
at this point, with all his efforts, you actually owe him an apology imo
What exactly do I owe him an apology for? I didn't do anything wrong here, imo. I acknowledge the fact that he initiated the first email, offered a reimbursement/apology, and removed the vendor . . . of that I'm very much aware. And I do recognize the fact that he attempted to correct the situation, I'll give him credit for that.What I won't do though, is ignore the bottom line fact that what he did with the renaming of the deeds and selling them as such, was intentionally deceptive and wrong in the first place. Based on that fact, thepleased tone of a sentence inhis email in having caught some resellers too, and the short conversation I had with him via tells . . . based on those things, I decided to report him becauseI personally felt he didn't seem to see the error of his ways when it came to him renaming deeds and reselling them to trick resellers. Sure, he removed the vendor after realizing innocent bystanders could and did get caught in his trick on resellers, but what about those resellers he obvioiusly has a thing against? Did he offer them an apology as well? Did he reimburse them their credits and said I'm sorry? Will he stop his vendetta against them, or find other ways in which to trick them? I don't know the answer to any of that,but based on the points I just stated, I truly felt he hadn't learned the bottom line lesson from this incident and therefore, I decided to leave this situation in the hands of customer service to put it on record and to handle, or not, as they see fit.
Am I going to apologize for that? Of course not. Just because I'm not one of his intended victims, should I sit back, do nothingand hope that hewon't try to find other ways of tricking them, or anyone else for that matter? I'm sorry, but no, I'm just not that kind of person. I'm not angry with him, but from my experience with him I did have concern over him doing things like this again, therefore I did what I thought was right.
yes you do owe him an apology...for being so completely unforgiving.
he removed the vendor and there is no reason to think that you are the only one who received an email from him in an attempt to make it right. you have no reason to assume that you were the only one that received an email like that
whatever next method he may choose to use against resellers is not your concern. you have no right to presume that hewill do anything more complicated after this then raise his prices, which he has every right to do.
how can you say you don't see that he sees the error of his ways if he emailed you without you asking first and removing the vendor? obviously he does.
and any future bad behavior, if he does not correct it himself, is reportable by future victims...you reported him on the assumption that he will do something else that constitutes fraud.
basically you reported him AFTER he bent over backwards to right his own wrong and you just threw his apology in his face out of some moral self-righteousness... how obnoxious of you.
we should report people for wrongdoing, when they are clearly behaving as though what they are doing is right. he was angry and made the wrong decision...then he basically policed himself. cheers to him for having a conscience.
Emotemaster
Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:35 am
#20
You guys might not realize that the global bazaar is FUBARed and misnames items a LOT.
Not saying this towards the orig poster, but the guy that said about C12's
Pawlin
Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:54 pm
#21
Emotemaster wrote:
You guys might not realize that the global bazaar is FUBARed and misnames items a LOT.
Not saying this towards the orig poster, but the guy that said about C12's
Ya that is true I think. I've seen items listed that seem to have goofed up descriptions. I think its quite likely those C12's crates could have just been the result of a vendor search bug.
Diaso
Wed Apr 06, 2005 5:56 pm
#22
World wide galaxy search just increases the re-sellers. Now, resellers arent bad i mean its done in the real world in wholesales and such.
kordeth4
Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:56 am
#23
i dont have problems with resellers of my crafted goods in fact its cool cause i name my stuff....however what i can not stand is a resaler coming along and seeing the loots that i am selling a a lower cost for the less richly endowed people so that they can have a piece of the good stuff... buying them all then going to their vender and seeing it marked up 400 to 500%
it just annoys my worse than anything else and people that do that will be banned outright from ever doing it again in my store
however i would never attempt to misrepresent something as something else i do however personalize items with names for instance i rename my foods to have a more immersive flaver too the game than just the names everyone has when they become a chef and well furniture is another thing i personalize alot
KordethBeing
ImLucas
Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:34 am
#24
Pawlin wrote:
Emotemaster wrote:
You guys might not realize that the global bazaar is FUBARed and misnames items a LOT.
Not saying this towards the orig poster, but the guy that said about C12's
Ya that is true I think. I've seen items listed that seem to have goofed up descriptions. I think its quite likely those C12's crates could have just been the result of a vendor search bug.
Yeah, the vendor search does that from time to time.
I once saw a stack of fiberplast that listed itself as water(and found in a search for water). I don't know of any way to perform that kinda naming trick with resources, but it does happen.
-Loserwan Ka'newbie
Greywulf0
Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:42 am
#25
bluejanus wrote:
I don't really have a problem with resellers. Most everything I make has my name and waypointon it, so that's more publicity for me. Renaming wind harvesters as large houses is a terrible practice though.
Neither do I. If you buy my wares at the price I list, I'm happy. I don't care if you re-sell it at a higher price or not.
However, if someone goes through and buys out a lot of my product, I know I am priced to low, and will raise my prices accordingly.
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