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Thread: Brawler: Pressing Concerns
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MasterOfCombat
Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:03 pm
#1
I know many of you are upset at the current Warcry alteration, and it has recently come to my attention that a person using the Group TEF "First Strike" tactic can use Intimidate/Warcry against an opponent without aquiring a TEF him/herself.
Are there any other things which you feel are of importance currently?
xUnkarNokataki
Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:41 pm
#2
To be sure, wacry is now a delay that give you... the time to flee?You hit warcry but you must not attack the target or the delay will wore off right??
In which way is that effective?? When someone is delayed he/she can still moves and follow you and wait for the delay to wore off or wait for you to attack.
Am I understanding right or is there something I miss?
DrunkBothan
Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:27 pm
#3
jockbronson wrote:
warcry needs no change at all.i'm tired of all the nerfs.
I completly agree. Warcry is not broken, changing it to the proposed new method (warcry rendered null when takes dam) is totally pointless and contradicts its purpose. Warcry is supposed to give the user an edge in battle, use it and the target cant attack back for 10 or 20 secs while you beat it senseless. However, now it will be you warcry the target delaying it for 10-20secs and you stand there and watch it or run away. Makes no sense to me, what genius thought this one up? I mean think about it... im going to scream a blood curddling "warcry" in your face that instills so much fear you go numb...then I run away.
DrunkBothan
Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:09 pm
#5
jockbronson wrote:
warcry needs no change at all.i'm tired of all the nerfs.
I completly agree. Warcry is not broken, changing it to the proposed new method (warcry rendered null when takes dam) is totally pointless and contradicts its purpose. Warcry is supposed to give the user an edge in battle, use it and the target cant attack back for 10 or 20 secs while you beat it senseless. However, now it will be you warcry the target delaying it for 10-20secs and you stand there and watch it or run away. Makes no sense to me, what genius thought this one up? I mean think about it... im going to scream a blood curddling "warcry" in your face that instills so much fear you go numb...then I run away.
atone48732
Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:45 pm
#6
How about giving brawler some actual Melee hybrid professions
instead of the crap how the only hybrids it leads to are smuggler and commando
I mean neither of them are melee so why cant we have a melee hybrid profession?
I still dont get why
oh well
MarkAStewart
Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:19 pm
#7
I don't understand this change at all. It sounds like warcry just became basically useless. Only works if you're NOT being attacked? lol, what a joke!
GTOfire
Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:24 am
#8
perhaps if enough brawlers protest the nerf it'll get recalled, so here's my voice 
Warcry2 is one of the more powerful tools of one on one combat for a brawler, and combined with lunge2 and the damage and speed of an elite melee profession, means we can be as powerful in PvE as commandos and BHs, and faster too.
In PvP, delaying our enemies for 20 seconds is the one thing saving us from kiters besides them making a mistake and not kiting well enough.
In PvP this nerf won't make that much of a difference really, people who are warcry'd will not stick around, they run like hell because they know they're offenseless. People who are knocked down and warcry'd can still stand up and run just fine.
In PvE however this means we will be heavily diminished. And I do mean heavily. Master Brawlers will notice the most difference. As a Master Swordsman I am currently able to keep an enemy knocked down for 20 seconds and pound away for 4.7K a hit, 3.5K if I go for pure mind damage. I can get away with performing these specials because I don't need to wear my armour when my enemy is offenseless. Ergo, I only take 143 and 190 HAM costs instead of 195 and 227.
Even if I don't knock them down, it still means I can do 3K damage to a target per hit with those lower HAM numbers rather then practically kill myself.
With this change, I can not do my 4.7 and 3.5K hits because the enemy won't stay on the ground. I can also not do the 3K hits when it's standing because the HAM costs with my now required armour are too great too accept while my enemy is also taking my HAM away at the same time. Basically, instead of doing 4.7K per hit for 20 seconds, with my speed that's 14 hits. While my damage won't be 4.7K at all for every hit, and I don't tend to spam more then 5 of them, the new warcry means I will only be able to use default attacks for 300 damage, the occaisional 3K damage hit when I feel lucky. Over that same 20 seconds, my damage will go from about 15K spread over the pools, to 6, maybe 7K spread over the pools.
the jist of it? this SUCKS. We will of course remain faster then most ranged professions, but our ability to do damage will be cut in half at least. The damage we take will more then double.
RaptosKhywalker
Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:10 am
#9
Is Master Brawler actually worth the points now? It was the
RaptosKhywalker
Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:28 am
#10
Where's my Edit button? 
Is Master Brawler worth the points now?A few small skill bonuses. a 20m KD and a 20sec delay was worth paying (upto) an extra 48pnts for. Now tho' that 20sec delay has turned into a Mez effect with the same cone targetting. I can see see why theyjudged it asover powered but considering what it cost in Skill points to get it what is going to be the compensation for it?
My template is defense stacked (master brawler, Blademaster, TK 2,3,0,4, Pistoleer 0,0,4,0) I drop master brawler and not only can I afford to get Meditate4, TK balance4 (giving me KD2) but I can grab the whole of the Pistoleer Melee defense line and still have points left for either some more range defense with the RS line in marksman or to dump into my Novice Medic skills to give me much better self heals. Publish7 won't effect my template in the slightest, at least not by the current levels they are planning.
Do I really want to be wasting 34pnts on Master Brawler just for Lunge2 and a cone effect 20sec "Mez"
I suppose I'm the only one that can answer that but dropping MB after Pub7 is really tempting.
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