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M0G4N

Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:00 am

Umm, I know I'm not a dev or anything, but would it really be so bad to give us our AoE warcry asap (aka publish 8) ?? I mean, they very easily fixed it to be a "mez" I'm sure it's not that much more difficult to change the cone to AoE...

From the view of someone who loves all forms of melee, publish 8 = poo.

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SmugglinZane

Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:02 am

#2

Think of it this way... fix warcry, and you'll have to denerf the other specials that were changed when everyone screamed about warcry being changed. Not trying to start anything, but there is an opinion by some that when warcry was on the hitlist, a few players insisted that other go down with it. You can probably thank those player for not seeing a warcry fix anytime soon.

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Rro

Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:02 am

#3

/agree Mo'

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Tlk

Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:32 am

#4

Cone is an AoE, do you mean circular? If it is changed to that, then panic attack should also be changed, how about wookie cry?

M0G4N

Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:40 pm

#5

cone is not a traditional AoE,at leastnot as much as implied by thearea surrounding the user...

they don'tneed to change panic shot accordingly, a smuggler should already be kiting and have their targets somewhat lined up if they're talented at all (from a pve pov). however, as a brawler, it is a real hassle to have to kite your aggressors then have to warcry and then get back to "standing" combat.

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MasterOfCombat

Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:50 pm

#6

M0G4N wrote:

Umm, I know I'm not a dev or anything, but would it really be so bad to give us our AoE warcry asap (aka publish 8) ?? I mean, they very easily fixed it to be a "mez" I'm sure it's not that much more difficult to change the cone to AoE...

From the view of someone who loves all forms of melee, publish 8 = poo.

Keep in mind that they add in the between Publish mini-publish, and we may see some love there.

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M0G4N

Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:33 pm

#7

MasterOfCombat wrote:

Keep in mind that they add in the between Publish mini-publish, and we may see some love there.

I really hope so

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SmugglinZane

Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:54 pm

#8

M0G4N wrote:

they don'tneed to change panic shot accordingly, a smuggler should already be kiting and have their targets somewhat lined up if they're talented at all (from a pve pov). however, as a brawler, it is a real hassle to have to kite your aggressors then have to warcry and then get back to "standing" combat.

That's kind of funny M0 since the change to warcry is what brought about the change to panic shot. Remember one thing as you claim this, smuggler is based off of brawler as well, so tell me why it wouldn't be right to fix panic shot as well? That was the justification in nerfing it in the first place. If you fix warcry, then the same argument applies.

Not sure how you justify saying that smugglers should already be kiting. The usual reason a smuggler is good in combat is because he has other professions stacked. Don't confuse the issue here please.

I made my original statements just to remind, or in some cases inform, people how we got where we are, and what a fix would/should entail. Sometimes an easy thing isn't so easy because of the previous stance some people have taken.

Zane

"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114

M0G4N

Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:59 pm

#9

SmugglinZane wrote:

That's kind of funny M0 since the change to warcry is what brought about the change to panic shot. Remember one thing as you claim this, smuggler is based off of brawler as well, so tell me why it wouldn't be right to fix panic shot as well? That was the justification in nerfing it in the first place. If you fix warcry, then the same argument applies.

Not sure how you justify saying that smugglers should already be kiting. The usual reason a smuggler is good in combat is because he has other professions stacked. Don't confuse the issue here please.

I made my original statements just to remind, or in some cases inform, people how we got where we are, and what a fix would/should entail. Sometimes an easy thing isn't so easy because of the previous stance some people have taken.

Umm, regardless of what profs are stacked, if you switch to thesmuggler portion of your template you had best kite if you want to be really efficient (mind you, this AoE has more of a focus on pve situations).

And honestly, you brought up a relation that really has no grounds for the argument at hand. The changes made to warcry/panic initially were b/c they were very overpowered delays, which has nothing to do with determining who they effect.

I am aware that there is a dependence of smuggler on the brawler side of things, but that also really is irrelevant. The point here is that brawlers are often surrounded in (pve) combat, whereas a smuggler is not, or at least shouldn't be.

However,you have to remember that if you are a smuggler that has melee in your build, you may resort to warcrying if you get surrounded.

In fact, the reason why I feel that panic shot should remain a cone is because it'll actually be more of a nerf to it to change it to AoE, since it'd lose considerable range, and it'llbe just a "beefed up" version of warcry 1. I mean, would you rather have 2 near identical attacks thus rendering one useless, or have 2 different attacks that work well given different situations and thus improving your combat ability as a whole?

Just to give one more whack at this bush, I'll state explicitly: changing warcry to an AoE is an enhancement to the brawler profession(s), not an enhancement to delay attacks.

That is all.

Message Edited by M0G4N on 04-14-2004 02:23 AM

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