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Thread: NM it was already decided

Mapai
Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:34 am
#1


I am starting a discussion for suggestions on how to fix the growing problem of people hitting people with high level dots and then warcry and basically watching the person die without even having a chance to fight back. It will be better for us if we offer a good solution rather than wait till the devs make their own without our input.


My personal thought is to have the warcry break when the dot ticks.

Message Edited by Mapai on 07-09-2004 04:05 PM



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Merxion_Levoy
Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:59 am
#2

Warcry should break when any damage is done.
piezo
Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:55 am
#3

Mapai sees the future!







....go look at the new patch notes



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Mapai
Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:45 am
#4






piezo wrote:

Mapai sees the future!







....go look at the new patch notes






Guess it was decided. I hate nerfs as much as the next guy, but this change makes sense.



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antares_Kauri
Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:00 pm
#5

It's a fix, not a nerf, and I'm glad it happened.

antares
master pikeman

Message Edited by antares_Kauri on 07-09-2004 02:43 PM



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cheserna
Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:03 pm
#6

well you can send my thanks to who-ever brought this issue up... it's been around for awhile, but I'm glad to see it being looked into... While it was a "strategy", I'm not really down with moves that have no counter... one more small step towards a playable PvP.... hope they keep coming...
Mapai
Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:10 pm
#7






antares_Kauri wrote:
It's a fix, not a nerf, and I'm glad it happened. But would you really have been pushing so much for it if you weren't a Jedi?

antares
master pikeman






That's a pretty low blow. I wasn't pushing for it. I read several proffesion and corr responses complaining about the issue. It was being discussed as issue, not brought up by me. This was the possible fix that made more sense to me than the others. I made this post to offer others to give me a better solution.



I set a jedi's mind on fire twice yesterday, Didn't warcry him, because to me as a player it seemed wrong, jedi or non jedi, had nothing to do with me having a jedi.


BTW I have a large selection of dot weapons and pvp often as a pikeman. So think before you flame me


I used to always enjoy reading your posts, they are usually well thought out.

Message Edited by Mapai on 07-09-2004 02:22 PM



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Mapai
Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:11 pm
#8

and my jedi is going master healer, so this issue didn't concern me as a jedi.



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Mapai
Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:30 pm
#9






cheserna wrote:
well you can send my thanks to who-ever brought this issue up... it's been around for awhile, but I'm glad to see it being looked into... While it was a "strategy", I'm not really down with moves that have no counter... one more small step towards a playable PvP.... hope they keep coming...





I knew a guy that had a pike that I dont remember the exact specs, but it had mind posion and health fire, and you would die before the warcry 2 was up. so it was basically 1 shot kill. I didn' t ask for the fix, but am not upset it happened, I never used it, and I have several nice dot pikes.



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antares_Kauri
Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:33 pm
#10

Yeah, I did get a little out-of-line there, didn't I? Sorry about that. It was a valid concern and many people were talking about it, I know. I'm glad it was fixed. I apologize for the comment. It's just so easy to see that if Jedi weren't complaining about these things (scattershot/combos, CMs, warcry & DoTs), they may not have been fixed for a long time despite people complaining for a while. It's upsetting to think that as non-Jedi players, our opinions and concerns appear to hold less weight.

But at any rate, I do take back my comment and apologize profusely.

antares
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Mapai
Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:45 pm
#11






antares_Kauri wrote:
Yeah, I did get a little out-of-line there, didn't I? Sorry about that. It was a valid concern and many people were talking about it, I know. I'm glad it was fixed. I apologize for the comment. It's just so easy to see that if Jedi weren't complaining about these things (scattershot/combos, CMs, warcry & DoTs), they may not have been fixed for a long time despite people complaining for a while. It's upsetting to think that as non-Jedi players, our opinions and concerns appear to hold less weight.

But at any rate, I do take back my comment and apologize profusely.

antares
master pikeman





Applogy accepted, and I can see why the frustration. Half of what I know from pikeman is from what tips I have seen you post. I play my jedi because it is in the game, and I enjoy all aspects of the game . but I still enjoy playing my brawler chars. I reminded myself last night pvping in theed setting thatJedi knight's mind on fire. Or all the looks I get when I flash my NSEL around. Now if we could get block fixed ( at least make it competive to counterattack) and make the Vl, and the NSEL ap2 like the powerhammer.

Message Edited by Mapai on 07-09-2004 02:46 PM



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D3st0r
Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:57 pm
#12

I'd just like to point out how much of a huge contradiction it is to come on here and try to play it off like you didnt condone the DoT/Warcry tactic Mapai. Maybe you should check out that post you have stickied, you know, the one that lists uses for Warcry and one of them specifically says "Dots Dots Dots, then warcry and /peace".




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Mapai
Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:06 am
#13






D3st0r wrote:

I'd just like to point out how much of a huge contradiction it is to come on here and try to play it off like you didnt condone the DoT/Warcry tactic Mapai. Maybe you should check out that post you have stickied, you know, the one that lists uses for Warcry and one of them specifically says "Dots Dots Dots, then warcry and /peace".







I didn't say I condoned or didn't condone the use. I said as a player I didn't use it. Most of that article was not about dots , but rather how warcry works and suggestions on how to make it effective( I have unsticked it for now, as it will need updated with this change)



I was never told it was a bug or not, I suspected it was. I started this thread to discuss the issue. ( then found out about the change at the same time you found out about it)


I hate to break it to you, but it was NOT because of jedi that this change is going into effect. The people that brought it up are regular proffesion corrs and regular players. If people stop and take a minute to think things from a different perspective. The jedi revamp is done for the most part. What was the biggest complaint from NON jedi about the GCW (current end game for non jedi) DOTs and their implementation. So if the jedi revamp was over and you wanted to start working on things non jedi to make their game enjoyable, what would you do? Hmm combat medic changes, this change to warcry, the change in BH as a temp fix to make them more in line with other proffesions skill point wise. Seems to me they are actually starting to work on some NON jedi issues that also effect jedi as well. Just my thought asa player.

Message Edited by Mapai on 07-09-2004 05:07 AM



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