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I don't really know what is good or not, but don't forget, that even though you don't get the certification until Novice TKA you can still use them as a brawler. You don't get a lot of damage out of them, but you can pick up quite a bit of speed. I have seen them as fast as 1.5. When you use them you will be getting about the same damage you do with your bare hands, but you will hit a lot faster.

I am closing on on TKA, only perhaps another 8 million hours slog and ill be there, the excitement is building.

I bought a set of knuckles before I realised you needed a cert for them (I know...stoopid is as stoopid does).

I was wondering, what IS a good pair of knuckles, what stats are important.

What is an average speed, what speed do I work at without them ? what is a good speed ?

And damage range what is mediocre and what is good ?

I intend to only go Unarmed and TKA will this be viable or do the parts of Master Brawler demand my attention.

Thanks in advance for help.

Wargfang, (WAC-G Wookies against Chewing Gum)

I'm honestly not sure what's "good." But, my WS char on Naritus has recently put together some 36/143/2.3 pre-slice knucklers. I'm curious on how they compare

Anian

congrats to ya man. i hear ya on the grind. im working my way into it also. what i cansider good in VK's is close to what i have:

64/162 1.5 (sliced) UA grinder

64/192 2.2 (sliced) for novice TKA.

I payed about 60k a peace for those and they are kryt (or however its spelled) enhanced. Hope that helps ya man.

Well I don't believe that krayt tissues can be used in melee weapons. My most powerful knucklers thus far have been 146 max damage, +35% slice, and then a power up with +16% damage for a total 229 max damage. I think it is possible for the base damage to hit 150ish. Maybe higher.

As best you can probably get 2.0sec non advanced VK (i have been making 95% experimenting ones and they was 2.1sec) damage on them are in somewhere in 130+ range.

Advanced VK get about 10 more max damage or so att cost of getting slowed by aprox 0.2sec

The question on why advanced and plain VK are almost same are beceuse: normal Vibro motor need any metal whit high UT and for that we use steel that is known to have good UT.

But for advanced Vibro motors you need 2 special kinds of copper and best UT for copper are somewhere in 700-800 range compared to steel where you can whit ease find 900+ UT.

And because of this we aregeting great normal vibro motors that are more or less same compared to so so average advanced vibro motors.

If you want thenstart buggingDEVs to change resource reqs on advanced VM from Copper to Steel like Duralloy (it usaly havegoodUT). And if this happens thenyou will get much better Advanced Vibro Weapons.

PS: Krayt tissues goes for something that Ws calls (a)BPH. These items are used for about 90% of range weapons. iI you want to enchant Vibro weapons then you need to hunt Nyms and thier Droidikas for high speed vibro motors (not sure of real name) or Rancors for thier teeth (should also work whit VM).

The best I can make on Naritus using Advanced Vibro Units are coming out at 37-145 Dmg, 2.2 Speed.

It's also my understanding that there are advantages to using these as early on as Unarmed III because the Unarmed delay is 4 seconds but if you equip the Knucks you get the 2.2 second speed and the damage modifier only knocks you down 10-20 points for not being certified.

I have taken an interest in this as my 2nd account is trying to get to Commando so I need the Unarmed skills.

During the unarmed grind, you will probably want vibroknucklers that do not use an advanced vibro unit. This is because advanced vibro units require resources with very poor stats and have a worse speed mod than vibroknucklers made without an advanced vibro unit. During the unarmed grind, speed is most important as the vk's will do poor damage no matter what and you are simply using them for a speed increase.

The best non-advanced vibroknuckler that I have made is 2.1s, the best advanced I have made is 2.2s. Non-advanced also tend to have slightly better HAM costs.

For regular use, read the other posts. =)

StGabe.

on our server normal vks are 2.2 speed, 37-147 damage...using enhancements can get up to 173 max damage...my knuckler is 222 damage max without powerup