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Thread: Brawler Range
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Moosemillion
Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:50 am
#1
I would like to know why the melee range is so high.
And if no one can give me a good answer I would like to begin a petition to limit it in the revamp.
30m=90ft ............. How is this remotely feasible. Even in space. Come on now, there is no WAY that anyone can lunge 30m, period.
I believe that the attack distance of any melee profession should be 5m, total. Anything else should be out of range. If that means ranged weapons in the hands of a PVPer who kites own, then GOOD, because that makes SENSE !
That being said, if I get into a tussle at point blank range with a TKM or Swordsmen, I should get owned. Oh thats right, that already happens when I get KD spammed and mind attacked so I cant throw poisons or use specials.
It really does not make sense to have the range so great. If anyone can muster a LOGICAL explanation for this, I will reverse my opinion. But Rifleman / CM are overpowered too, or get Synthsteak are not logical explanations.
SmuuthAzz
Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:22 am
#2
I cant give you a valid reason other that lunge 2 is our defense aganist you cm/riflemans. You guys are uber enough with a jawa ion and mind poison combined.
Stormbilly
Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:08 am
#3
First off, it's 20m NOT 30m. Secondly, it's called game balance. This is not real life, this is a game, some things have to be done for balance, regardless of what is realistic or not.
Moosemillion
Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:08 am
#4
Sorry, 20 m.
And I don't troll. Your comments about me in the other forums and the one-stars are just petty. This is a melee question, why wouldnt I post in all the relevant forums.
Galactaman
Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:54 am
#5
Don't listen to him he's going to every combat board and saying, "your 1-starring is petty" after he gets flamed
Stormbilly
Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:38 pm
#6
Yes, I made the comments.....but I NEVER one-starred you. That must have been someone else with the sense to see a troll.
I answered you seriously here, then I saw your post on ALL the other melee boards....that's when I realized you were trolling. Whether you know it or not, you were trolling.
Message Edited by Stormbilly on 08-15-2004 08:41 PM
Mapai
Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:55 am
#7
It's 20 m and the reason it is that is because of server lag. If it wasn't that, we would never be able to hit, because you could move faster than the server could register. ( I read that along time ago, from a dev comment that this was the reasoning) It is one of the few benifits we get for Master Brawler.
Volcanus
Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:04 am
#8
yep needs to be 20 m or else it would be impossible to hit someone, not standing still
AKemper
Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:42 pm
#9
I don't post alot but I have been looking at things geared towards balance as of late. I have been a master pikeman. I totally enjoyed the proffesion, however the statement that lunge range is 20m because of server lag doesn't hold true to me. I never had problems hitting at 20m ever and if it was server lag restricting range then I would get the out of range statement atleast occasionally at 20m. the range increase in the lunge was because melee guys were unable to hit a kiteing target useing auto-follow. 20m is simply too far for a melee guy, except for maybe a polearm user, to hit. This is an area that I hope the devs will address with the combat balance. The bottom line is melee players seem to own against all other combat proffesiosn with the exception of rifleman, who by all accounts is overpowered.
The poor ranged guys all have penalties when faceing a melee player whether it be to accuracy or damage, not to mention melee has the best def mods in the game. Not to mention none of the melee guys have any penalties to useing their abilities like the ranged guys.They shouldn't have the best dam. output and eliminate the ranged players ability to kite after all the ranged players depend on distance to use their abilities.
I know everyone wants their proffesion to be good dare I even say "uber" but the ranged get all the penatalties and the melee guys get all the cake.
SpottyGekko
Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:12 am
#10
The problem with most of these prof X vs prof Y discussions is that they ignore the fact that combat should be done in teams. In RL, if a melee specialist goes up against a ranged specialist of equal skill, 90% of the time he would die.
Do we really want all professions to be equal ? What is the point of having "ranged" professions if melee has a "ranged" attack (20M) ? Wouldn't it be more fun to get a rifleman and a TKM working together in a team ?
This game has become very "solo" orientated, and every prof seems to complain about how they get "owned" by some other prof, and how this is unfair. It is not, a TKM should get owned by a rifleman, unless he can get close enough. And a running rifleman should not be able to hit very often, a burst-running rifleman should not be able to hit at all. That's how a TKM can then catch them, etc.
In a mixed squad, TKM withdraw behind their rifleman if they are getting hit by ranged fire, or they rush the ranged opponents while their rifleman cover them. As long as we look at this in a "one-on-one" basis, the discussion is going nowhere.
Anyways, hopefully the Combat Revamp will change this miserable situation...
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