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Thread: Can defense vs. dizzy ever be 100% ?
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veegen
Sun May 23, 2004 3:35 pm
#1
Hi all,
I bumped into a guy claiming that he had dabbled in a way that he could not be dizzied. This sounds very tempting to me, but I have been asking around, and people seem to think that you can not have a total defense against dizzy.
If you for example, dabble for 0040 pistoleer/0040 fencer and 4000 Swordsman, then you will have 100 defense vs. Dizzy. Does this mean that you have 100% defense vs. dizzy, and taht you can not ever be dizzied ?
If so, does the defense do the same for KDs and Posture downs aswell? I have been hearing many different answeres to this question, and maybe someone here has the correct answere ?
veegen
Sun May 23, 2004 3:58 pm
#2
Hi all,
I bumped into a guy claiming that he had dabbled in a way that he could not be dizzied. This sounds very tempting to me, but I have been asking around, and people seem to think that you can not have a total defense against dizzy.
If you are a MasterSwordsman andfor example, dabble for 0040 pistoleer/0040 fencer, then you will have 100 defense vs. Dizzy. Does this mean that you have 100% defense vs. dizzy, and taht you can not ever be dizzied ?
If so, does the defense do the same for KDs and Posture downs aswell? I have been hearing many different answeres to this question, and maybe someone here has the correct answer ?
ryye
Sun May 23, 2004 4:37 pm
#3
I had +95 defense vs KD and took some +98 KD food (+193 defense total) and got a TKA friend to spam KD on me, they could still knock me down, but very very rarely.
so it seems that state defenses (kd, dizzy, posture, blind, etc)aren't a percentage(0-100)like people seem to think
hope that helps
veegen
Sun May 23, 2004 4:49 pm
#4
Yeah it does help, thx.
Unfortunately its not what I was hoping for 
but it seems strange that almost 200 defense vs. KD still got you KDd ... how often was that? Like 1/10 or 1/20?
Nagabacca
Sun May 23, 2004 5:11 pm
#5
From a friend of a friend of a friend, i heard that there is a minimumchance of 10% thata state effect sticking.
With high def v dizzy, i've found that it also helps me standing up whenever i have been dizzied + kd/posture change. That might just be me imagining things, because i've not tested it.
Arcaine2
Sun May 23, 2004 7:59 pm
#6
Maximum stat stacking is 125 regardless of what your stat dscreen shows.
They put this feature in back in PUB 7
teamdoa
Mon May 24, 2004 4:01 am
#7
I always thought the chance to dizzy remained the same to a certain extent, but the period you are dizzy is reduced.
Ufgood-Zep
Mon May 24, 2004 4:30 am
#8
Arcaine2 wrote:Maximum stat stacking is 125 regardless of what your stat dscreen shows.
They put this feature in back in PUB 7
Thats true for ranged/melee defense and dodge/counterattack/block. Do you have proof that it capped others as well?
notrom
Mon May 24, 2004 5:36 am
#9
get pistolier ive have never been able to dizzy/kd a pistolier
ive been tk fencer rifle carb sword and always tested it on my pa leader
(master pistol, smuggler dabbler)
Zhorx
Mon May 24, 2004 6:15 am
#10
Nagabacca wrote:
From a friend of a friend of a friend, i heard that there is a minimumchance of 10% thata state effect sticking.
With high def v dizzy, i've found that it also helps me standing up whenever i have been dizzied + kd/posture change. That might just be me imagining things, because i've not tested it.
Yup, there is always a 10% chance of any state sticking, so +90 seems to be the cap for state defences.
JawaJoey2
Tue May 25, 2004 4:53 pm
#11
I don't know how the state defenses work exactly. I don't think it's a percentage, I think it works something like Ranged and Melee Defense. I'm also pretty sure you can never be 100% invulnerable to anything. That person probably thought that the defense was a percentage. But then again, it might be. Can we get a Correspondant or something to give us the answer?
donnysabertooth
Tue May 25, 2004 6:42 pm
#12
125 is the cap on ranged melee and dodge/counterattack/block
it is all the cap on STATE DEFENSES
now with 125 kd dizzy defense etc, you still have a 10% chance for that to happen to you
combat equilbrium has to do wiht how long you stay that way
im pretty sure imr ight cause in my template i have 120 kd defense, 120 dizzy, 100 posture, 100 blind, 90 stun, and with my attachmetns i reach the cap or close to cap on most of these, and state effects rarely occur to me
hope that helps
LordSaibot
Wed May 26, 2004 2:31 am
#13
donnysabertooth wrote:
125 is the cap on ranged melee and dodge/counterattack/block
it is all the cap on STATE DEFENSES
now with 125 kd dizzy defense etc, you still have a 10% chance for that to happen to you
combat equilbrium has to do wiht how long you stay that way
im pretty sure imr ight cause in my template i have 120 kd defense, 120 dizzy, 100 posture, 100 blind, 90 stun, and with my attachmetns i reach the cap or close to cap on most of these, and state effects rarely occur to me
hope that helps
I've had about 3 or 4 templates since the caps were put in, and from experience they seem to cap at 90 or so which would imply the percentage rule, and the idea of a minimum of a 10% chance of landing a state. I have no conclusive data to prove this, but i've had 80, 100, and 120 kd def and they all seem to be about the same as when i had my 90 back in the day. I got kd'd a bit more with the 80, but very rarely with the 90 and up. To compare this to 90-125 ranged defense, with my carbine template i had between 80 and 90 ranged def, but i capped it with my fencer temp. As a fencer master riflemen missed, but as a carbineer, pistoleer/rogues where hitting me pretty often. Also, master smuggler/pistoleer couldn't do enough damage to me to incap me while buffed no armor with 125 ranged def and centered with 125 dodge. He was using a geo (not sure of the stats) but he hit so rarely that i just regenned back the damage. Any way all of this to say that i definitely see a difference between 90 and 125 ranged def, but not much difference between 90 and 120 kd def.
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