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Thread: The state of Jedi vs. BH
Foreword:
As of today jedi is completely underpowered (and sadly unplayable)compared to before publish 24. As a result I am not longer playing my jedi and I know many others that are not either. Cheer if you will but I was on the front page of the terms and never ran from a fight. Truthfully its your loss.
Jedi: Risk vs. Reward
I just want to know why everyone feels there should be some kind of penalty for being a jedi.
This is a concept that was once not an issue as jedi was both a reward and had the power and prestige to warrant this.
When I first became a jedi, we were powerful and because of that power the risk/reward was balanced.
Now, and especially with the last patch, a jedi is marginally better than a normal toon (and I would venture to say even or *gasp!* less).
If you want to punish me for having my lightsaber then maybe you should read all the post about jedi getting owned maybe the ones that respond to nerf calls are...
A few things:
1. My jedi had rarely lost a fight since I became a master defender. Not because MDEF is overpowered but I knew what I was doing, I practiced all the time, and I knew BH templates inside and out. There are someBH that are VERY tough but I couldusually find a wayto get it done.
That changed yesterday when I was killed by a bh who did not wear armor (arrogant?!)and perfected the use of root/snare to make sure I never even hit him once. Kiting me the whole fight until I gave up. Can we call this balance? At least pre-publish 24 I might have caught up to him with FR...
2. Nearly all high level MOBs are now armor break immune. Do you have any idea how big of a blow that is to a melee/jedi character? That removes 60% of our PVE damage. Try that with your rifle, carbine, or pistol. I'm sure you'd agree with me that its unfair and there is no advantage to being a jedi in pve anymore. Loss of lightsaber damage reduced jedi this makes it even worse.
3. AI no longer functions as intended. Need I say more? You can't tank a mob with the master level tanking skill... Good job there...
4. Healing. You CM/Docs out there know what I'm talking about. Not every jedi has the 1500 heals that we were 'balanced' against.
5. Ganking. Given the current rules for snare NEVER should a jedi have to face two ranged professions at once. Because snare can be applied without an anger like buff the jedi would never have a chance. One bh on one side the other on the other side and a dead snared jedi in the center.
Ifyou search this board you will see countless posts about pwning jedi and how easy we are now. Given my recent experiences I cannot disagree.
Jedi vs. BH: The problem with the system
The jedi vs. BH system has seriously fractured this community. The hatred is far too great, and it spills into new character that areworking to become jedi. Why they hatejedi isridiculous. Nearly everyone in the game is working toward one orhas one.Blind hatred tears the community apart.
Possible solutions:
1. Remove all penalties for BH deaths. You will scream about this, but I guarantee you would have more and better fights if people didn't fear and run. I know that I would have fought you everytime when I was just starting for experience alone. BH's become content for jedi too. See above rebuttal for the jedi needs to be hard comment. IT NO LONGER APPLIES IN THIS GAME.
2. Remove jedi from player bounties. Problem solved. Drastic but completely understandable should it happen. Ganking, grieving, and nerfing have made this the easy solution, and remember the dev would rather remove code than add it... If something is considered overpowered it gets nerfed or removed. Revamps take too many dev resources and given their current direction of development in the game I doubt they have future plans for anything.
3. Give jedi a reward/reason to fight you. XP gain, perks, anything that might be worth the risk of fighting you. Remember no matter how much you tell yourself otherwise wedo not have to fight you. And unless you snare/root us we can't be forced to. That is not limited to negative BH penalties. We know you have nothing to lose. And weknow you will never accept losing something (ironic huh?). But at the very least the jedi should be rewarded for DBing you.
If you remove penalties for jedi the 'farming' issue that was in place with the names on the terminal is eliminated. THAT is why jedi lost xp.
When the system was first in place killing a jedi was the largest payout possible to a player, andto make sure that this was not abused the jedi xp loss was in place (this occurred in several different methods). Its an outdated system that breeds hate on both sides and it is time that it is revamped.
Don't kid yourselves, if you were jedi population control you'd be killing FS grinders trying to stop them from becoming jedi. Pre village the hologrind was slowing people, but that would have only been a temporary solution, as people continue to play they work toward their goal regardless of the speed they reach it.
Conclusion: This game needs to remove the tension between the most played (BH) profession and the most sought after (Jedi) profession. As of right now the game is not balanced. Ranged can kill melee with ease. Until this changes the game is not worth playing. Finally something will need to be done.
Make the experience better for both players. Our community deserves it.
Flaming or calling me a fool will not change the truth of the situation. Something has to change for the good of the game.
Message Edited by Yoiaholic1 on 10-20-2005 05:53 PM
swiftstriker wrote:
Its just there are too many jedi. If there was no penalty whoop dee do.SWG would be a jedi battle field (except for those few bhs that refuse to be jedis).
Not a very constructive answer. No one fears your Xp loss. The pvper's in theed will never care. It just breeds hate and contempt. As long as players are allowed to do what they wish with their characters jedi will increase. Please accept that, everyone has the right to be one.
*** I posted this on the BH boards, I want to see what you think as well ***
Foreword:
As of today jedi is completely underpowered (and sadly unplayable)compared to before publish 24. As a result I am not longer playing my jedi and I know many others that are not either. Cheer if you will but I was on the front page of the terms and never ran from a fight. Truthfully its your loss.
Jedi: Risk vs. Reward
I just want to know why everyone feels there should be some kind of penalty for being a jedi.
This is a concept that was once not an issue as jedi was both a reward and had the power and prestige to warrant this.
When I first became a jedi, we were powerful and because of that power the risk/reward was balanced.
Now, and especially with the last patch, a jedi is marginally better than a normal toon (and I would venture to say even or *gasp!* less).
If you want to punish me for having my lightsaber then maybe you should read all the post about jedi getting owned maybe the ones that respond to nerf calls are...
A few things:
1. My jedi had rarely lost a fight since I became a master defender. Not because MDEF is overpowered but I knew what I was doing, I practiced all the time, and I knew BH templates inside and out. There are someBH that are VERY tough but I couldusually find a wayto get it done.
That changed yesterday when I was killed by a bh who did not wear armor (arrogant?!)and perfected the use of root/snare to make sure I never even hit him once. Kiting me the whole fight until I gave up. Can we call this balance? At least pre-publish 24 I might have caught up to him with FR...
2. Nearly all high level MOBs are now armor break immune. Do you have any idea how big of a blow that is to a melee/jedi character? That removes 60% of our PVE damage. Try that with your rifle, carbine, or pistol. I'm sure you'd agree with me that its unfair and there is no advantage to being a jedi in pve anymore. Loss of lightsaber damage reduced jedi this makes it even worse.
3. AI no longer functions as intended. Need I say more? You can't tank a mob with the master level tanking skill... Good job there...
4. Healing. You CM/Docs out there know what I'm talking about. Not every jedi has the 1500 heals that we were 'balanced' against.
5. Ganking. Given the current rules for snare NEVER should a jedi have to face two ranged professions at once. Because snare can be applied without an anger like buff the jedi would never have a chance. One bh on one side the other on the other side and a dead snared jedi in the center.
Ifyou search this board you will see countless posts about pwning jedi and how easy we are now. Given my recent experiences I cannot disagree.
Jedi vs. BH: The problem with the system
The jedi vs. BH system has seriously fractured this community. The hatred is far too great, and it spills into new character that areworking to become jedi. Why they hatejedi isridiculous. Nearly everyone in the game is working toward one orhas one.Blind hatred tears the community apart.
Possible solutions:
1. Remove all penalties for BH deaths. You will scream about this, but I guarantee you would have more and better fights if people didn't fear and run. I know that I would have fought you everytime when I was just starting for experience alone. BH's become content for jedi too. See above rebuttal for the jedi needs to be hard comment. IT NO LONGER APPLIES IN THIS GAME.
2. Remove jedi from player bounties. Problem solved. Drastic but completely understandable should it happen. Ganking, grieving, and nerfing have made this the easy solution, and remember the dev would rather remove code than add it... If something is considered overpowered it gets nerfed or removed. Revamps take too many dev resources and given their current direction of development in the game I doubt they have future plans for anything.
3. Give jedi a reward/reason to fight you. XP gain, perks, anything that might be worth the risk of fighting you. Remember no matter how much you tell yourself otherwise wedo not have to fight you. And unless you snare/root us we can't be forced to. That is not limited to negative BH penalties. We know you have nothing to lose. And weknow you will never accept losing something (ironic huh?). But at the very least the jedi should be rewarded for DBing you.
If you remove penalties for jedi the 'farming' issue that was in place with the names on the terminal is eliminated. THAT is why jedi lost xp.
When the system was first in place killing a jedi was the largest payout possible to a player, andto make sure that this was not abused the jedi xp loss was in place (this occurred in several different methods). Its an outdated system that breeds hate on both sides and it is time that it is revamped.
Don't kid yourselves, if you were jedi population control you'd be killing FS grinders trying to stop them from becoming jedi. Pre village the hologrind was slowing people, but that would have only been a temporary solution, as people continue to play they work toward their goal regardless of the speed they reach it.
Conclusion: This game needs to remove the tension between the most played (BH) profession and the most sought after (Jedi) profession. As of right now the game is not balanced. Ranged can kill melee with ease. Until this changes the game is not worth playing. Finally something will need to be done.
Make the experience better for both players. Our community deserves it.
Flaming or calling me a fool will not change the truth of the situation. Something has to change for the good of the game.
And its been out for 2 days. You got killed by a BH who was a arogant. (NOT THAT ANY JEDI ARE) Seems to be a new thing maybe for you. Perhaps You should look into ways to counter what was done to you? Maybe it is too strong but You have yet to give yourself a chance to find ways out of it. I cant tell you how many times ive had to Redo my MBH hunting. Droids not working was one that was the best. Do as you wish. But to quit 2 days into it. Sounds to me like your not cut out to be a Jedi.
I dont want to be a jedi. Yes everyone has the right to become a jedi. If you could think for one secound what this game would be like if it was all jedis?
jafo1 wrote:
The reward is the extra toon on same server. Would you be willing to lose this? If you lost the extra toon you get for free. Then the XP loss to your Jedi would be a unfair thing.
And its been out for 2 days. You got killed by a BH who was a arogant. (NOT THAT ANY JEDI ARE) Seems to be a new thing maybe for you. Perhaps You should look into ways to counter what was done to you? Maybe it is too strong but You have yet to give yourself a chance to find ways out of it. I cant tell you how many times ive had to Redo my MBH hunting. Droids not working was one that was the best. Do as you wish. But to quit 2 days into it. Sounds to me like your not cut out to be a Jedi.
Of course, the alt arguement. Sorry that won't work either. I get an alt so you don't have to complain about seeing my jedi 100% of the time. You can't have it both ways. All the people saying jedi are too numerous surely do not expect me to quit.
And remember even without XP loss, BH's are still ANNOYING. Getting hate tells because I was doing necrosis on Kashyyyk before the removal of names on the terminal is really quite annoying. Having only my jedi would close much content for me as beign attacked during a quest battle can ruin someone's game...
If you lose the ability to bother me in game, I'll give up my alt.
Message Edited by swiftstriker on 10-20-2005 06:35 PM