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JasonK
Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:21 am
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Why do my threads get closed for trolling yet people can follow all my postsinsulting me and nothing is done about that. What BS. Enforce the rules equally and for everybody.



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Arcdischarge
Fri Jan 30, 2004 3:56 pm
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Garva is the cool.



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Fri Jan 30, 2004 4:18 pm
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IBTL






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JasonK
Fri Jan 30, 2004 4:21 pm
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Cailid010 wrote:

IBTL









LOL 5 hours later.



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Kobeblackcat
Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:23 pm
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Locking threads like you are doing only leads to more speculation and paranoia.

I think we, as paying customers and the people who are ultimately responsible for your employment, have a right to post and talk about the possibility of leaving the game. If we want to create an "Unofficial Will you Leave SWG" thread we should be allowed to do so.

You monitor these forums so you must know the questions we have. Instead of locking our posts why don't you try to help us find some answers?


Good customer service must be a foreign concept at SOE. If one of my employees treated a customer the way you and other SOE employees treat the players of this game they would be fired so fast it would make their head spin.
GarVa
Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:24 pm
#6


Ok let me put it this way...


read the locks, thats all there is too it, just because you all want to have some sort of grand scheme and think there was something done to the FSCS does not mean their was... there HAVE been people that have opened it since publish 6.







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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:50 am Post subject:

Please report these types of things to ingame support, you can also pm TAURIN here on the forums.

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I have an open ticket from a long time ago so how would I report it? I did /report and got nada...


As far as a PM to Taurin I assume you notified him..when you closed my post?


BTW...you can bet this cheat is all over the Jedi's private forums...so closing this post will not keep it under wraps...just fix it or remove pvp from this game.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:53 am Post subject:

I /bugged the battlefield thing the day after they went inactive. The devs know about it already. I don't condone using this tactic, but besides /reporting individual players, there isn't much else you can do.






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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:57 am Post subject:

Quit the game like everyone else will...Jedi bounties and player bounties and PVP in general will be dead if they do not get these things fixed.
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FelixDarque1

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:44 am Post subject:

Garva,


I would like to understand why my 'Modify the Friends List' post was deleted.


I understand from your mail that posting a link in all of the galaxy forums is 'spam' (I don't agree this is so - I thought I had the right to post in any forum in which I wished).


Regardless, if that is the case and you deleted all of THOSE posts, what was wrong with the post in THIS forum. It used no profanity, and as far as I know, violated no SOE forum rules.


If it did, please make me aware of the problems with it that I may modify it and repost.


Thanks.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:47 am Post subject:

This is a copy of my original post. Please tell me what to modify that it may be considered properly censored and acceptable in this forum. Thanks!


Hi folks,

I don't have a jedi yet, but I am on 26. Wish me luck


Regardless of character status, I am 'jedi-friendly' and think most bounty hunters are griefers, and I hope they hate the game and quit. With that said, you understand my perspective.

Because of trolls like Hakari, et al, who come over here and insult and mislead people, I decided to go patrol the BH forums and see what happens there. A lot of good players are there, but for the most part, I was right - a bunch of griefers who get off on making other people's experience in the game suck, and then in calling them names like whiner, etc in the process. Ah, the anonymity of the internet that saves them from a good and well deserved right-cross

Anyway, the real reason I am here is to tell you that some of the BH are encouraging all of the others to start spamming the CSRs about something they say is an exploit. Apparently you can login/logout/login in rapid succession and any current BH missions on your Jedi are either broken, or you don't show up for a few hours, etc, or primarily your 'online status' shows as offline. I am not advocating that anyone do this to avoid BH missions, I am simply informing you, and I am here to advocate the other side of the equation.

I think it is exploitative that BH add their Jedi 'missions' to their "FRIENDS" list. In essence, the BH are assuming a form of omniscience that allows them to track what you do with your real life. They can see the times you log in and the times you log out, and I don't think they should have the right to do so. A Friends List is designed to allow you to connect with the people with whom you WANT to connect, not as an exploitative tool for griefers who want to harm you and track you.

They should have to send out droids to track you and take their chances re: your offline/online status.


So I am calling on the Jedi and friends of the Jedi to counter their campaign and cries of exploit. I would like two things.

1) If you agree with me, /sign here.

2) Send a letter/call on the phone (best way), or use whatever interface you can to get in front of SOE customer service and sound off as a paying customer. Tell them that you believe the exploitative use of the Friends List to track your online presence is not only an invasion of your IRL privacy by those who you have not authorized, but that is is a violation of the spirit of its use when enemies can use it to track you and know you are online. In a way it is akin to 'spam' email, in that if one does not 'opt-in' to the receipt of said mail, the mail becomes spam. Allow us to opt-in and decide upon whose Friends List we shall appear!

In fact, my legal opinion is that this ability to track one's online status is a potentially actionable invasion of privacy, and therefore it is our duty to help SOE understand our viewpoint before someone brings a class action suit re: the subject at hand.

Vote: Make the Friends List an 'opt-in' tool to allow me to connect with my compatriots. Not a tool for griefers to track my real life usage of the internet. When someone wants to add me, give me the option to 'opt-in' or 'opt-out' in the form of a pop-up that I need to accept when online. Do not make it a default tracking tool that strangers can use to see if I am on the internet.

/sign





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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:48 am Post subject:

I found this post in the Intrepid forum. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Intrepid&message.id=242154#M242154

Perhaps less cross posting of the same topic, although this would be more a core system post than server or profession related. Cross posting really serves nothing more than to clog an already busy board.


Besides, as already pointed out, this is something that is in the works. It will just take a while to complete.

Message Edited by Dapper_Dan on 04-07-2004 11:50 AM



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:49 am Post subject:

repost it in the jedi forum only. people like me will be glad to sign it again.

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FelixDarque1

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:52 am Post subject:

Well the message Garva sent me said something like that...but as a marketer I know that not everyone who reads Intrepid, etc, reads the Jedi forum. On the other hand, I thought all of those people would have an opinion, and I have to say there were a dozen or so affirmative responses in mere few minutes.


Therefore I reject the premise that posting in one spot draws more attention than posting in several, and I reject the assertion that 'no one reads petitions' as Garva said.


I really wanted this to be a positive rather than a negative Garva, and now I find I am an upset and disgruntled customer instead.





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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:57 am Post subject:

ever since the general discussion board was closed, it's hard to find an appropriate place to post general system suggestions. I'm not sure what you should have done.

(Maybe specifically mentioning the names of board members in a negative way didn't help get on his good side, either, but I'm only guessing.)
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GarVa
Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:11 am
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Spamming the forums is against the rules which you are required to read before posting, you have been informed of this via pm yet you still insist on posting about it here. Which is now trolling, also against the forum policies.





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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:51 am Post subject:

I have posted in the appropriate forum, still nothing. I still cannot play the game.



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:52 am Post subject:






Dosi wrote:
I have posted in the appropriate forum, still nothing. I still cannot play the game.





This is not a game guide.







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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:40 am Post subject:

The customer is always right. I'm sure you'd like the same respect if any of us offered a service to you



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:42 am Post subject:

Tell that to the bouncers that throw you out of a bar for creating a disturbance.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:42 am Post subject:






NovamanFreedust wrote:

The customer is always right. I'm sure you'd like the same respect if any of us offered a service to you





How is that new FRS working out for you?



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:43 am Post subject:

lol



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:44 am Post subject:

Umm, can anyone enlighten me as to what's going on? Who's Garva?



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:44 am Post subject:






TheCapn2000 wrote:





NovamanFreedust wrote:

The customer is always right. I'm sure you'd like the same respect if any of us offered a service to you





How is that new FRS working out for you?





You guyz are giong right back to farming eh...?



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:48 am Post subject:






NovamanFreedust wrote:

The customer is always right. I'm sure you'd like the same respect if any of us offered a service to you





Lol.... that's a myth. The customer is "always right" when in regard to what's best for the company and/or it's image.


Now here... we pay $15/mo for the game. That's for the privilege of PLAYING the game. As per the EULA, your $15/mo IN NO WAY either express or implied makes any of us have any "say" in what happens in the game.


We are "renting" the game, so to speak. These arguments are ridiculous.





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:57 am Post subject:







bmill wrote:





NovamanFreedust wrote:

The customer is always right. I'm sure you'd like the same respect if any of us offered a service to you





Lol.... that's a myth. The customer is "always right" when in regard to what's best for the company and/or it's image.


Now here... we pay $15/mo for the game. That's for the privilege of PLAYING the game. As per the EULA, your $15/mo IN NO WAY either express or implied makes any of us have any "say" in what happens in the game.


We are "renting" the game, so to speak. These arguments are ridiculous.







You are wrong. We are the game. Without us they can turn of the servers and look for a new job. It's is time they start listening to wwhat we want and stop ignoring us, or they will be without a job.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:03 am Post subject:

actually without you they may get some rest. without the rest of us they can shutdown the servers. i am staying.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:54 pm Post subject:


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Announcements&message.id=256



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject:

IBD
BUT you surrendered your freedom of speech when you signed the contract see the print



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incorrect, you signed an agreement for them to have full control of whats posted.. next time read the fine print.



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PeakDantu
Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:58 pm
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People are woefully misinformed about what the 1st Ammendment does and doesn't protect. Like the idiot making RL threats who thought that was his Constitutional Right. We need better civics classes ><



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I didn't sign anything, i entered my screename and password, and posted.




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TheNarcis
Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:59 pm
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Eked wrote:
incorrect, you signed an agreement for them to have full control of whats posted.. next time read the fine print.





That is why there are people trying to get certain laws enforced in which you will see I am sure of. The fact they are offering a public service and forcing you to sign in order to obtain that public service. It is a trickery that will be solved in the next year or two. Many companies (game manufacturers, OS creators, and retailers) are bing sued because when you install the game it makes you agree before the install. And gave no warning on the box of such actions.


You can not offer a public service like this forum, then force the public to agree to your guidelines to use the service. That in essence no longer makes it a "public forum" and is gross mis-information.

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Warryyr
Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:59 pm
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Does not apply to private forums.


No laws are being broken.


Since you're in the US (judging by claiming your first amendment rights) I suggest going outside and repeatedly statinghow you dislike the US government.


If the police come by and arrest you, your rights have been violated, consult a lawyer.


If you state anything in a private forum on the internet and the mods moderate it, they call the shots. Don't post on those forums or accept the guidelines to post on the forum.


Sturmruger
Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:00 pm
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Nothing I signed or clicked for, excludes our right as paying clients to speak of problems plaguing the game. Sure death threats and such are not a right but speaking our minds or signing a petition is well within our rights both as people and clients.


Garva crossed the line, argue as you will, but he trampled all over freedom of speech. So, unless you live in some country under dicatorship you should be able to see this.





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Starbuckz wrote:
I didn't sign anything, i entered my screename and password, and posted.




you checked agree when registering.



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